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I'm hesitating to somehow get involved in something turning into what I think rappers would call a "bitchfight" between Ice Cream and PowerPuff Grrl. What I want to say is that I don't think that black people as a group can be blamed for homophobia. I know there is some polling evidence that on average black people in the US have more anti-gay prejudice than white people in the US, but remarks like
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I think something similar is going on among some black people regarding gay rights. They have, like the Atlanta clergyman, this idea that since they have always been the victims they resent the idea that some other group is claiming to be more victimised than them. This annoys the hell out of them, so they respond with prejudice against gays. A similar example is the prejudice that some feminists have against transsexuals. It's not logical in the normal sense, but there's a kind of logic to the irrationality. Now this isn't inevitable. When South Africa was writing its new constitution in 1994 they put in it straight off that in future there would be no discrimination on the grounds of race, religion or gender. Then it was suggested that they should also forbid discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation. South Africa is a very conservative country, but when this point was raised, the ANC didn't want to be hypocrites and the National Party didn't want to be accused of having just replaced one set of prejudices with another. So in it went. Ice Cream is right that there's something particularly galling about victims of prejudice being prejudiced themselves, but that's life I'm afraid. PowerPuff Grrl is right that black people shouldn't be held to higher standards than other people. Being the victim of prejudice doesn't make you a good, noble, logical or compassionate person. Often, it brutalises you. It's intrinsically no worse for a black person to be homophobic than a white person. But it is kind of inconsistent to say 'I'm against prejudice against me, but I'll be as prejudiced as I like towards other people'. |
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08-12-2004, 02:39 | #22 | |
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08-12-2004, 02:41 | #23 | |
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08-12-2004, 03:30 | #24 | |
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excuse me for going off topic. What Mossopp has said sounds good to me. It's a shame that people use slang terms for homosexuals quite often, and the majority of the populace doesn't care. And speaking of the N word, it never fails to amaze me that blacks regularly use "nigger" to mean "dude", "homeboy", etc. Sometimes it's even comical. |
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08-12-2004, 10:40 | #25 |
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I certainly don't agree that only black people are homophobic. Yeah rappers are the one getting targeted cause the their lyrics, but they're the ones dissing everybody and everything. They just don't make gays an exception. And I don't actualy see how the rap community represents the black race as a whole. It's not like they're ALL rappers.
It's a generalization really. It's just like saying all white people are homophobes because the majority of white hockey players are. One section, or a subculture of a society doesn't cover that whole population. I can't say I condone most rappers lyrics when it comes to stuff about homophobia (I still say Eminem is mocking the homophobes themselves rather then gays), but it's not really something to make generalizations out of. Just a samlpe of Eminem's lyrics (from the same song as Mossopp took her example from - Criminal): You motherfuckin chickens ain't brave enough to say the stuff I say, so this tape is shut shit, half the shit I say, I just make it up To make you mad so kiss my white naked ass And if it's not a rapper that I make it as I'ma be a fuckin rapist in a Jason mask |
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08-12-2004, 12:49 | #26 | |
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I still don't like that word though. And I agree that it does seem comical at times to hear black people use it. Gay people have done a similar thing with the word "queer" I suppose, although to a much lesser extent. |
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