Is M.J. going to jail?

[spyretto]

There's a countdown on my screen. It now reads 07 minutes until verdict...and counting.
I haven't been following the case closely but it seems to me that Jackson is going to potentially get 20 years in prison if found guilty on all counts for attempting to molest a child but not quite doing it? am I correct?

Maybe I'm not...

Here are the counts:

Count 1: Conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion between 1 February and 31 March 2003.

Count 2: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 3: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 4: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 5: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 6: Attempt to commit a lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 7: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 8: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 9: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003.

Count 10: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003.


I don't know if he's a peadophile or not, to me this seems not quite right. 20 years?
Oh, now it's reverted back to 19 minutes and counting

[Exodus]

I really think he should go to jail, there are so many proves of M.J. being guilty, If he dosen't go to jail I'll be very dissapointed!! , He's sick, changing his color skin, abusing kids, giving kids wine or something like that to take them kinda inconscious, he got this neverland thing (for attract kids of course) and I heard theres a prove where michael tells a kid he sleep with kids (but don't tell he have sex with them)I really think he's guilty.

I hope he go to jail, I don't got anything against him, I just think thats the most fair justice can do.

[freddie]

MJ acquitted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*does the moonwalk*

[11Russia]

He's not going to jail

[spyretto]

Yeah! He's not

A good day for peados

[freddie]

Of course I can't be SURE whether he did it or not (okay I can say it's my personal BELIEF he's not guilty, but that's unimportant), but either way just looking at it from a legal standpoint the prosecution had a lousy case here. Remember: reasonable doubt. There was a hell of a lot more then a reasonable doubt in this case: extortioner mother, who was training her children to leach money out of superstars, an ambiguous, ofter confusing and confronting statements by the boy... it just wasn't right. From a legal stand-point there's no way he could he found guilty in this case. Of course you never know with American Jury system, which is certainly not idiot-proof, but in this case... I think they made the right decision.

*crotch grab*

[spyretto]

Originally Posted by freddie

*crotch grab*

haha...

Yeah, the timing and the motives of the prosecution were wrong and I personally thought he's innocent; and even if he's not, he hasn't done something that deserved 20 years in prison.

[thegurgi]

Originally Posted by haku

it's just the way things work over there, if you have money you can do anything you want.

i'm just wondering if this is another one of those "yay, another opportunity to bash the americans" for you haku (i am getting a bit tired of it). Remember Haku, martha stewart went to jail and a lot of other famous people have been incarcerated.

I was surprised that Jackson got off completely, if anything he NEEEDed probation, but if the jury didn't believe that he was guilty without a doubt than that's how it goes, most of us aren't all that sure he had done everything the prosecution told us he had to begin with. And besides, if there is one man in the world who couldn't survive prison, it's MJ. I just wish i could tell Fox "It's OVER! Can i watch the simpsons now?"


haku: Sorry, post deleted, pretend i never said anything

[freddie]

It's how things work EVERYWHERE, haku. It just so happens I think in this case they were right, for a change. Just like you'd claim that being famous and filthy rich doesn't make a person automatically innocent, I can argue back that it doesn't make them automatically guilty neither. Admit it: we can't POSSIBLY know for certain whether he's guilty or not. All we can do is judge. My personal opinion is that he's innocent, but that's judging as well. Only thing I can judge is the objective facts of the court procedings... and even there it's strickly my layman's opinion.

[Exodus]

Not guilty mmmmmm............ maybe hes not guilty at all but I'm not 100% ok with the veredict.....

[KillaQueen]

Since I dont have time to watch television anymore, let alone keep in touch with most news, I found out from you guys that Jacko was acquitted. I had actually hoped that. I mean the man is a mess as it is. If he went to jail, he'd most probably die within a year, even less. And the stuff he did, IF he did it, it would be cos of that idiotic father he's had. Then again, we'd have to think of his brothers too, maybe they used to get the same treatment. Possible, but they aren't such superstars that their business is all over the media. Not to mention that the plaintiff, that kid's mother, wasn't a saint herself. All in all, I'm glad for Michael out of respect for his work and simple human compassion.

[haku]

In my opinion MJ is a pedophile and has been molesting children for decades, they did find child porn magazines in his house and that's not something you buy just out of curiosity. I think this is a case of 'mutual agreement', MJ needs children and he has money, some parents have children and they need money, you do the math.
The only victims here are the children, not MJ, not the parents, only the children that once again justice has failed to protect from adults.
And MJ was released without any probation or psychological follow-up, whatever he's doing to these children, he's free to do it again starting today in the privacy of his palace.

[KillaQueen]

Originally Posted by haku

The only victims here are the children, not MJ, not the parents, only the children that once again justice has failed to protect from adults.

The dude is weird as crap. I wouldn't be surprised if he were indeed a paedophile and God knows what else.
But he was a victim of his father.
And the kids whom he abused... No one should punish Jacko, but the kids' parents!
Jackson just needs some real serious help.

[haku]

Right now there is no way to cure or even help pedophiles, a pedophile will always be a pedophile. When a pedophile is released from jail or hospital, they know that he will prey on children again and molest one sooner or later, but currently our societies consider that it is preferable to let them molest a few more children than depriving those men of their freedom for the rest of their lives.

And in my opinion, the fact that a serial child molester has been a victim himself when he was a kid is no excuse, he should be punished regardless of what happened to him as a child. Most serial killers/rapists have suffered from some kind of abuse in their childhood, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be punished for their crimes and released so they can continue their 'work'. Serial killers/rapists/molesters can't be cured, they replicate the same pattern all their lives, when one of them is released, they *know* that he's going to do it again, the only solution is to remove them from society for the rest of their lives.

[freddie]

Point is: this has got nothing to do with fame or money. If one thinks he's a paedophile that's his personal opinion, but it shouldn't get confused with the objective truth. He's innocent in the eyes of the law: and not because he's a rich manipulator of the legal system, but simply 'cause the prosecution presented a lousy case. Even if you (personaly) think MJ is guilty as sin, he should never go to jail for circumstancial evidence. For sheer respect of the Rule Of Law. If he is really guilty then the prosecution surely did an excelent job in making him look innocent. Even more so then the defense in some cases. There was nothing so convincing to go beyond the reasonable doubt. If anything the prosecution did an awesome job in discrediting their own witnesses which is mindboggling.

You have to look at the broader picture here: convicting someone that famous with such a huge impact would leave a resounding precedens in the american judicial system: the standard of reasonable doubt would sink lower (after convicting a high-profile public figure on circumstantial evidence), allowing more innocent people to be convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

The discussion of MJs weirdness and excentricities can be debated about, but he shouldn't be judged just based on weird shit he's done. Now that's what I call prejudice.

[nath]

I agree with you haku......Yes , I DOOOO......!
I think too that may be a stealer or a gangster can stop one day its activities ...but I'm pretty sure that a sexual maniac can't.

The problem in a such case is that , most of the time, the kiddies feel guilty themselves...so they don't speak easely ...or they speak when they are adults and it's too late...
-So I think a lot of advertissements should be diffused more and more to try to not let this subject as so "taboo" it is...and to give the courage to some kiddies to speak without fear....even if it's difficult 'cause, in the most of the cases, the "guy" is from family or a friend of family.

-The other point is that these people should have a "life surveillance"...even if I agree it doesn't help a lot cause they have a kind of pulsion in themselves they can't stop.

-So if it happens 2 times (and 2 times is too much ) they should been or accepting to follow a medical treatment to "kill" all their sexual activity or to been removed from the society for the rest of their life.

I know what I write is very hard but I don't see other solution...you don't have to force somebody to have a sexual relation with you ...nor a kiddie, nor an adult.

From my part , sorry freddie but I'm not sure at all that MJ is very clear ....but the problem is that I'm not even sure that he realizes that what he "does"( i should say ...he could do in an hypothetic way...) is bad... He really needs a therapy and I don't understand what the society authorizes him to keep his childrens ...I mean on a psychological aspect , having a such life absolutely out of society and normal life is....

KillaQueen, I agree with you too in some part of your post , in the fact that Parents are responsible tooo..in this kind of case...you have the responsability of your kiddies and you don't let them spend the night in the house of a man you don't know ...I mean it's crazy !!!

[freddie]

I agree he's certainly unable to lead a normal life. He's been caught in a magic bubble of fame and fortune for as long as he can remember. He never learned HOW to be normal like the rest of us did, leading well... normal lives. So he doesn't really understand the outside world and the way social and moral etiquette work. He doesn't have a problem of sleeping with children (just SLEEPING, you sick bastards ) and he doesn't even UNDERSTAND why public sees it as wrong, since he sees it through his innocent, naive eyes, with his 10 year old state of mind, where it's "fun" to share a bed with his "buddies". That sheer child like naivety (when he even outright TELLS people he sleeps with children and finds it the most loving thing in the world to share your bed with someone), is the most conclusive proof to me that he doesn't have a real grasp of reality and it ultimately proves his innocence of SEXUAL ABUSE. I'm not saying it's RIGHT a 45 year old man is sleeping in the same bed with a bunch of 8 to 12 year old boys. I wouldn't let my children sleep with him if I had them. But lets separate those two issues here: yes, it was wrong. Morally wrong. But that doesn't make him a child molestor yet. Just because people are disgusted with his living habbits it doesn't mean he should be ostracized or unfairly judged because of it. Remember - tolerance is a virtue of wise men (that sounds so fortune-cookie-ish, but it's the truth ).

[haku]

In my opinion he did much more than just 'sleep' with those children, the fact that he's telling outright that he slept with children doesn't prove that he didn't sexually abuse them, it can also mean that he simply thinks that having sexual activities with children is totally normal.
MJ pretends to be a child (but if he is a child, how did he impregnate 2 (or 3?) adult women?) so if he touched pee pee with a bunch of little boys, in his head it's no big deal right? Except that those children will remain scarred from that experience.

[spyretto]

What you call a normal life might not be normal at all. It's all in the eye of the beholder. The fact that M.J. is eccentric comes as no surprise as the guy is probably the most famous personality in the world. He has a monomania for wanting to remain a child but is failing at it and as freddie pointed out, if you show the slightest care and affection for children these days you're going to be branded as a potential peadophile. But I think MJ has suffered enough with all the humiliation, the scrutiny and the prosecutions nonwithstanding all the money he has paid to avoid more unecessary humiliation and prosecution. The guy has suffered enough. If the parents of the so called "abused" children are so easily persuated and manipulated over MONEY to an extent that they'd turn a blind eye on the abuse of their own children then they're the real perpetrators, not M.J. Cause that is more or less prostitution of their own children.
However, I don't believe MJ has gone beyond "touching a child the wrong way" - and that is also debatable and in the eye of the beholder - while the rest is in the imagination of the parents and the lawyers to make the case more believable, I suppose.
Yeah peadophilia is sick and for an adult an affair with an underage person/young adult may be morally wrong and legally punishable but the fact of the matter is that the current paranoia with "peadophiles" is also bizarre. If I express a desire whereby I wouldn't mind seeing you dead that doesn't make me a killer. If you admire a young person in a certain way, it doesn't necessarily make you a child molestor.

In the meantime, I advise parents to lock up your children. Child molestors are comin on the neighborhood near you and they're insatiable. Take it from an irresponsible adult with no freaking children

[zebu]

he probably bribed everyone there, jury, prosecution..etc, when u have that much money nothings a problem. i guess he had to pay a lot more than last time, when he bought just that one kids family. but this way he "proved" his innocence. just lovely