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31-05-2006, 22:11 | #1 |
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The big "P" Thread
I kinda agree with the bit about lowering the age you can appear in porn. I find it slightly weird that you can legally have sex but it's illegal to film it and sell it.
And I'm all for more animal rights. But lowering the age of consent to 12? Nope, that's kinda fucked up. |
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31-05-2006, 22:18 | #2 | |
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I was wondering if Paul de Leeuw is affiliated with the party in any way...just an idea.
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31-05-2006, 22:26 | #3 |
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I'm guessing lowering the age you can appear in it would also mean lowering the age you can buy it...which is another question that baffles me - you can legally have sex, but you can't buy a video showing it. Makes no sense to me.
Sorry...I know that's kinda off topic...ignore me! |
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But if you're talking about Britain, I believe the age of consent was only recently changed from 18 to 16 years, so there's a gap of 2 years. British pornographers are currently pursuing this case with the European court, in hopes that they can lower the age of possessing pornographic material to equate it with the age of consent. |
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31-05-2006, 23:26 | #5 | |
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And as for the party. Well, I do believe in the right for pedophiles, since it's a sexuality as all other. BUT: It's NOT their right to have sex with persons under the 'legal age for having sex'. What this party is doing is extreme. Lowering the legal age for sex will be very risky for kids .. I'm thinking about the danger of raping. -- Of course people can choose to have sex when they are under 16 (the legal age in norway), doing it all by their free will. But I actually think that kids at the age of 12 cannot make that decision. 14 would be more morally correct, but still that's kinda low. Anyways, I didn't like this party ... except the fact that they wanted to legalize all forbidden drugs. All the other things were crap imo, really. Hehehe. I sure as hell wouldn't vote for them simply because of the legalization-issue tho. |
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You can have sex , your body is almost like grown-up's and such ..besides there is a chance (in the hell, --marina) you are truly -madly- totally in love with your future prince on a white horse but pornography is entirely different issue . Pornography is not much for your body , that's more to do with your mind . And not everyone child's mind is strong ehough to withstand such a bullshit . Pornography is downright degrading anyway They won't miss much if they start to watch it only from 18 or 21 |
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01-06-2006, 10:00 | #7 |
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Pornography is no more damaging to your mind than meaningless one night stands. Infact, it is probably better in my view.
Nothing wrong with porn, I've been watching it since I was 11 |
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01-06-2006, 20:19 | #9 |
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What on earth are you still discussing this about?
You're not an adult at 16 so you can't take part in pornographic films or be a prostitute. It's not an ethical or moral issue or physiological isue, it's a legal issue. Capisch? |
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The only way for sex to be legal for an underaged kid would be if that kid was engaging it with another kid. And this Dutch political party is not underaged. (Lousy attempt at staying on topic.) |
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02-06-2006, 06:43 | #11 |
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About pornographic movies, a lot of kiddies see them anyway..with their big brother or friends ,in downloading them or just even at home because some parents really DON'T care about what is broadcasted or in their tapes...or just really don't care about their kiddies.
But I'm still For this interdiction and I explain why: just because when you're an adult you "can" see the difference between things....when you are a kiddie, not often... I mean to sell their videos , the porn film makers push the extremes more and more ... So to be more exciting you will get in this movies : rapes or parties with 6 persons....or all kinds of situations where you'll get absolutely no feeling but just sex relationships where the women would be treated just as objects in the most perverse and dangerous situations... And I think that's very dangerous for the mind because when a 11 years old kiddie is watching such movies (and I know some kiddies who watch them when they are just 8 y.o. ), he is , in the same time, building its own personality, he is in the period when he is building his own references for the adult life. The other thing to notice is that a lot of kiddies don't make difference between movies and reality...My idea about porn movies is the same than for violent movies here... So...the consequence is that their representation of Love will be built from this pornographic movies...and it's very, very dangerous. Because all the excess used to sell videos would become as something natural in their mind: for example, to rape a girl who doesn't want it in a basement with several guys would became a "natural thing"..a normal way to act... Even the interpretation would be : "Oh! The girl cries and says "NO" just because she is a bitch and wants to excite us more.."... So if you allow to give such horrible references to a kiddie as "normal relationships", I'm really afraid about the future of our civilization... I don't see the necessity to "pollute" their brains with such horrible things in a such young age. And I have the same opinion about violent videos and violent PC games....believe me, they don't make the difference between those referents and a "correct" reality which takes care about a respectful and sane relationship between people. And about the fact to allow teens to play in Porn Movies...no thank you!!! The role of society is to protect childhood during all the needed time to build "stable" adults. |
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02-06-2006, 19:20 | #12 | |
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Paedophilia and homosexuality shouldn't be compared, IMHO. Laws to illegalize homosexuality were based on some puritanical bullshit deeming both it and paedophilia as perverted. Homosexuality deals with two consenting adults, not so with paedophilia. As spyretto said, it comes down to what age should consent be recognized. You can't just lower it to appease paedophiles because the legal ramifications would be massive. By lowering the age of consent, the law would be implicating that the child is of able mind to do anything. If a child accidentally kills another person the child is tried as an adult for manslaughter, parents get no charges, labour laws (or lack of) that the children chimney sweepers of turn of the century England had can get re-enacted, etc. (All over-exagerations, but you get point.) The law could have different ages for consent for sex, criminal charges, etc, but that would just make the law even more complicated than it already is. It isn't worth changing for a group of people that fetishize over children. It's the youth'ness, not the actual person, that they like. Children don't remain as children forever. I completely agree with nath on the porn issue. The rampant misogyny featured in most porn is appalling. Women are treated as just orifices for guys to fuck. Rarely do you ever see a woman come in any of them, instead the porn ends when the guy comes. And he usually comes on the face of the woman which is unbelieveably demeaning. If there ever is a porn that does feature a woman coming then it is treated as some freak show thing, usually when the woman ejaculates. And that is just porn from the States, nothing compared to the misogyny in Hentai (Japanese animated porn). All this can have an unbelievlabley bad affect on children if they are ever exposed to this, which they are. There was news breakout in the States that told of an "epidemic" of 13 year olds having blow job parties. Most people were more concerned with the fact that children were having sex at all, which is rather naive. My concern is the fact that boys would have girls blow them but nobody would go down on the girls. Girls weren't enjoying sex, nor were expecting to enjoy it. Obviously these children were getting their sex education from porn. Not that I'm blaming the porn industry for this, since sex education falls under the domain of the American education system. Or at least it should, seeing as the States is one of the most sex-crazed countries in the world, it's fucking criminal that they withhold teaching children about sex to appease hypocritical Christian fundmentalists. |
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02-06-2006, 20:17 | #13 | |
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And I'd also like to say that the soft core part of the porno industry is bigger than the hard core part of it (as soft core includes most of the porno magazines, soft core movies, pin ups and what not -- where hard core simply doesn't fit in or isn't allowed). Soft core is by some looked upon as something beautiful, and hard core often shows some of the more things that aren't so pretty perhaps. There are something for every taste, for sure. And saying the whole industry is filled with the thought that women are items for men to use sexually isn't really fair. They have all chosen this line of work, and I don't think anyone is more of an item than others. What about all the gay porn out there? Lesbian-porn is a big business. Bigger than man-on-man at least. No men using women there... and again, women can have the dominating roles in movies. Most often they do ... if that's just the director feeding them lines (most probably it is) - who knows. Doubt anyone in here knows if it is or not. (Heh, I wasn't sure where to stop, as I just started ranting on. Sorry. I might have gone tooooo off topic here ) Freddie: : There... a seperate thread for you pervs! (just kidding. ) |
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I have no time or inclination to enter that debate about porn, but i mostly agree with dradeel and rachel. I think that it's a myth that women are exploited or degraded in porn, they choose that line of work, they make good money, and many actually enjoy what they're doing, and many do like sperm (actresses who have a problem with it generally go for lesbian porn).
As for domination, it's not always women who are the submissive ones, there are loads of porn where men are the dominated ones and women are totally in charge (a quick search for "femdom" on any porn site will give you plenty of results). And of course in gay or lesbian porn, there's no such issue since everybody is of the same gender. |
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LMAOO! I never saw this thread
Freddie: : It's a continuation of the dutch paedophile party thread... the topic went stray a bit, cause everybody was discussing the porn issue. So I created a seperate thread for it. |
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02-06-2006, 23:53 | #17 |
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Freddie - Just as well I guess. Hehe
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I got to rename the thread as words "porn, underage sex" are prohibited by many public browsers. It means that people won't be able to access the forum from the public place.
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03-06-2006, 12:23 | #19 |
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nath, about kids not being able to tell reality and movies apart - honestly I think if a kid can't do that then they were gonna be a little screwed in the head anyway. Obviously these kids would have had no common sense in the first place.
And about women being used and degraded - honestly I think it's the people who buy it who are the ones getting used. They are the ones paying $30 for a few hrs of excitement. It's them that are slaves to their desire. Porn hurts no one except the buyers wallet! (Unless we are talking about underage stuff, that is a whole different issue.) |
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I'm not arguing that that the industry is abusing women (maybe back in the seventies, certainly not now). Just that the images themselves and how it is structured is pretty sexist. But I think this is the one domain however, where sexism can in fact flourish seeing as how it is porn we're talking about. Everything is acted out, nobody is hurt, and the viewer knows beforehand what he will be watching. That and porn is about seeing sexual desire come to life. You can't repress that stuff, better it come out in porn than in reality. I just think viewership should be strictly limited to adults. Children should be forming their first impressions of sex from schools rather than learning it first from porn. Quote:
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