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Slang, result of ignorance or acceptable dialect?
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22-01-2006, 22:36 | #2 |
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ebonics isn't butchered english.
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22-01-2006, 22:50 | #4 |
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it is arguably a dialect. the british may speak proper english, but that doesn't matter. it is a valid means of communication that evolved from english, so it is not a butchered version. bring that argument here and see how far you go with it. by here, i mean where most of the population isn't white and where some places are only inhabited by black people who speak ebonics.
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22-01-2006, 23:39 | #6 |
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you wouldn't get beat up. don't stereotype. you would be laughed at.
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23-01-2006, 14:11 | #7 |
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Oh come on Lux!!! "Soemthign" is total laziness. It is butchered English.
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23-01-2006, 14:54 | #8 |
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I don't think Amber would be beaten up or laughed at. But I have to agree with Amber and Rach that "Soemthign" is butchered English. And so is "whaddu yooz talkin bout".
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24-01-2006, 03:31 | #9 |
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seomthign is spelled wrong. that's all. but speaking in a certain way that completely ignores grammatical rules DOES include ebonics. simply put. i.e. you be the man yo dawg forget troubles we got cho back if shit go down tanight
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And in my opinion it's not doing any good to make black children believe that their slang is an actual language because it gives them the false impression that they don't have to learn correct english in school, and it also fuels the prejudiced idea that correct english is too difficult for black children, that they are not intelligent enough to learn a full language and that a vulgar slang with no grammar and limited vocabulary is enough for them. It's a way to keep poor people in their underdeveloped state. In all developed countries you can find people who speak slangs in the poor suburbs of big cities, but it certainly doesn't mean that you can tell those people that their slangs are actual 'dialects', it's just slang and children must be taught the correct form of the language at school so they have a chance to access higher education or simply integrate mainstream society. |
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24-01-2006, 06:53 | #11 |
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ebonics IS a language. if you actually did some research, you would know that ebonics HAS grammar elements and rules, just like any language.
"you be the man yo dawg forget troubles we got cho back if shit go down tanight" some negro didn't just decide to start speaking this way. although its precise origins are still debatable, it is of no doubt that ebonics is deeply rooted in the African language. So the sentence above is simply a modernized version of the ebonics spoken during the slave era, where the language originated. So to deny ebonics of its legitimacy is to deny the whole African American dialect. as far as ebonics being taught in schools, the program is designed to cultivate and embrace the African culture, so its not just a language class. Who do we learn our first concept of language from? Our family or closest environment. Before black kids even step into Preschool, they already have a defined set of dialect instilled in them. The SEP (Standard English Proficiency) program resembled that of any standard ESL programs, where English was taught as a second language and the original language was the backdrop. The purpose of the SEP program was NOT to say that American English need not be learned, but the goal was to teach a second language not "fix the home language you bring to school" You wouldnt try to "fix" spanish in order to fit into the rules of American English. btw. if you havent noticed yet..ebonics is at the pinacle of mainstream society. so maybe you need to take some ebonics classes |
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Ebonics actually exhibits more resemblance with the slang of the English working class of the 17th century, i personally agree with the theory that African slaves who spoke many different African dialects and needed a way to communicate with their masters and between themselves picked words from the slang of the white working class and that the influence of their native African languages was minimal (except for pronunciation) in the construction of Ebonics because they didn't share a common African language to begin with and therefore their native lexicon was not kept within Ebonics. Quote:
If people want to embrace the African culture through a language, they should learn an actual *African* language, there are many interesting African languages they can choose from. Quote:
My grand-parents only spoke the Norman dialect (and yes, that was an actual dialect, directly derived from Latin with some Old Norse influence from the Viking settlers), they grew up in the 1900s at a time when school was rudimentary and they were never really taught French, they only spoke the dialect that had been spoken in the area for centuries. It was different for my parents, they grew up in the 1940s and school was compulsory everywhere for everyone at the time, they picked the Norman dialect from their parents of course but they were only taught correct French at school. And now me, i know almost nothing of the Norman dialect and i could barely understand my grand-parents, i was only taught French. With proper education, it only takes 3 generations to shift a population to the correct language. Quote:
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24-01-2006, 18:51 | #15 |
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ebonics is a jargon, nothing more. and it won't ever be a language or even a dialect per se, because it clearly is just 'something' derived from english. screwed up or not.
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Oooh I've been living in a lie all these years... I'm a lezbion!
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Gramatically challenged homosexuals for the win, eh KQ?
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24-01-2006, 19:37 | #19 |
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tru dat. cuz we is definitly lezbionz.
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