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A good reply from Kerry:
Bush on Wednesday accused Kerry of opportunism, saying: "A political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as commander in chief ... that is part of a pattern of a candidate who will say anything to get elected." Kerry threw the words back at the president 24 hours later, announcing he was going "to apply the Bush standard" and declaring: "Mr. President, I agree with you." "George Bush jumped to conclusions about 9/11 and Saddam Hussein," he said. "George Bush jumped to conclusions about weapons of mass destruction and he rushed to war without a plan for the peace. George Bush jumped to conclusions about how the Iraqi people would receive our troops. He not only jumped to conclusions, he ignored the facts he was given." More... I just love Kerry's replies... If only I can argue in style like he does. He's my American Idol. |
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Sorry for triple posting. But I found an interesting website that allows people to vote from all over the world, and sorts the results by country. I'd say Kerry is on the safe side with 88% of the vore.
http://www.betavote.com Results: http://www.betavote.com/results/ Have fun. By the way, a quote that kinda made sense and made me think: "At least half Kerry's constituency thinks that once he wins we'll be out of Iraq in three months. This isn't going to happen. When all the electoral balloons have floated away, Kerry will face the same dilemma George Bush now faces -- a hostile Middle East, an indifferent Europe, a fragile democracy in Iraq, and a world where rogue nations are acquiring nuclear weapons as fast as possible." Source: http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7314 |
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I'm restating my stance on the war, i've decided that the way i put things don't really reflect how i feel about it, so:
I believe and know that nearly everything we've done in Iraq was completely wrong and perpetuated by the selfishness of the current establishment. However, i do support the reformation of the Middle East and the end of instability in the world's countries. I hope, that in the end of our involvement that this can become a reality that maybe there will be peace and i don't care how long that takes. Call me niave and optimistic, but i just want the end of suffering. The instability of this region isn't just our fault remember, if we look back to the end of World War 1 and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the region was controlled by the British, French, Russians and others. They created borders for themselves but not the people who actually lived there, boundaries between peoples and such. As such the middle east has been sectored off not by themselves, but by those in power. Maybe if these nations had treated this area better and sectored everything to have made more sense, a united area with stronger support, rather than how it's still treated. But it's just so unstable, they have more civil wars than any other region in the world. The palestinians want a country, the kurds want a country, but the turks don't want to lose territory, the iranians don't want to lose territory, the israeli's especially don't. This could all be ended with a pencil on the map... well not all of it. Iraq is just one of the problems, but i do understand part of the problem. Oil. one of Bush's agenda's had to be oil, probably his fathers as well. But in the next 40 years the oil is going to be gone. So many scientists believe this and if it proves to be true, this isn't just the State's problem. Oil is an issue, i think we should all agree, and we're all going to be affected by the end of this problem, except countries where they've solved the problem for themselves (like Brazil). But it's the states problem more than any one else just cause we USE more oil than any other countries. It's rather ridiculous, this country is more concerned about the price of oil, and yet they don't think of how to really conserve it. Other countries have, and yet you get a tax cut if you buy an "SUV" (aka, gas guzzler) and not if you by a fuel efficient one, it should totally be the other way around. I think that we should all, (all countries), need to focus on a new system of energy, and i'm sure some are, at least the scientists. and hopefully something renewable. But, above all this, i still do support a war on militant extremist terrorists and the freedom of all people. I support what my brother's group did and the others he's told me of, i support COMPLETELY what they are doing. I do agree that in the offensive, we definitly need to go about it in a different way, and we need support, and maybe if we did, it WOULD go differently. So this is how i feel, i'm rather indifferent, but i won't take a completely against stance like everyone else, because some good will come out of this, eventually. This is why i'm voting for Kerry, maybe with him things will go differently. And there's a part of me that really thinks he might win |
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On the other hand, while you're so meticulous in pointing out all liabilities on the US part, you should also take the time to investigate the involvement of other suppliers of weapons to Saddam Hussein thoughout the war - how about your beloved Soviet Union, France, and (West) Germany - any particular similarities between those three? Also, the selling of weapons to Saddam from Arab countries like Kuwait. I suppose they sold the weapons and the technology but they wouldn't imagine Saddam might turn them against them, right?...politics, politics. Yeah I know America is such an easy target and some people can't help it but single out everything that involves them while discarding everything else on their minds. But a better approach would be to try and see things a bit more objectively. So much about ancient history... |
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spyretto,
A new Bin Laden tape surfaced recently, here a quote from an article on Yahoo! news. Quote:
What do y'all think? Is bin Laden trying to influence U.S. elections? |
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Actually, I was more interested in some other excerpts from Bin Laden's tape, namely the ones where he presents himself as a freedom fighter in the name of all Islam:
" We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours"..."God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind"... inspiring stuff, luxxi, innit? |
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It's amazing that some people, like Osama bin Laden and George W. (and the people behind their decisions) just can't get through their heads that nothing can be solved by hurting and killing others. And both are well-educated men, surprisingly. Stupid idiots.
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I don't think he's trying to influence the elections, as he said neither Bush nor Kerry can protect their country.
The thing I liked about this tape is what Osama said to the American people. He did not come out and say he hated all Americans, and they're all going to die for being American. He blamed those who were responsible, the leaders of the country, not the average citizens. This sounds crazy, but he had a much more humanistic standpoint in this one; he said he knows people need security, and it's natural to defend it. He also spoke about freedom, and the actions free people take. I'm definitely not saying I approve of Bin Laden and his actions of violence, but he rang out as less militaristic and more even keel and understanding. |
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http://www.votergate.tv/
This is a documentary done on the fallibility of the electronic voting machines in the election. Pretty interesting, seeing as how easily one could change the course of an election. And spyretto, I agree with what you are saying.. |
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those voting booth things are pretty complicated... i'm rather afraid to make a mistake, and i'm going to have my dad run me through the process, hahaha. We'd always get to do a mock election in high school and we'd get to use the real deal machine and i think i always pulled the curtain thing wrongly
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to luxxi:
I'll be back to the debate soon, if you join the Mijahadeen warriors in the meantime please let the forum know. to all the rest: One day for junior to come back to power. Some patriotic posters to celebrate the ocassion. http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/index.asp |
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Kerry will wait for results in Copley Plaza in Boston. I've been walking through that place every day when I was in Boston. It's kinda surreal that I was walking the same places that the next president of the US is now.
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