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This is nothing to do with the hatred the Greeks harbour towards the Turks, it's just for practical purposes. INSTABUL is also Greek ( from "is tin poli" - I thought we had it figured out before ) But then again, if you're not talking about my own posts then I apologise. |
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Hey, what on earth are you on about, the city is Turkish, period....and a fine city it is. If we could we'd claim it off you again and rebuild a center of Christianity there as before, but we don't live in the 15th century. So it can't be done - for now. 12 million Greeks can't fight 85 million of Turks
You want to get your hands in the Aegean, maybe we want Istanbul back...no harm in wanting something. But we cannot ignore history as freddie did when he said why don't the Turks have more of the Aegean Yes, there was butchery on 29.05.1453 but the gates were opened from the inside, so the legend has it. There were always traitors and ruffians among the Greeks. |
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haku and fanoff - I think that name-thingie has evolved to unecessary heights. Speaking about Istanbul today, I think it's fair and square that it's beeing called Istanbul, but in haku's defense we were talking about a city that formerly were a western city, aye? And when the war against the Ottomans were going on, the city would've (most probably) be renamed with its former name if it was conquered. Sooo... in that way they would've recaptured Constantinople ... it would be kinda wrong to say they had "recaptured Istanbul". But either way, they didn't conquer the city.. Hehe. So let's not speak of what ifs and buts.
And it's not like haku said: "I'm going to Constantinople for my summer vacation." Cause that would've been very wrong. Agree? I'm personally a much more fan of the norse name Miklagard tho. Hehe |
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On a different note: Regarding this whole thing about the Turks not being part of our cultural herritage and things like that... that may be true to an extent. But an ironic part is that genetically most Turkish people today are very much indoeuropean, with a significant helenic gene pool prsent within the population. See if they'd retaint heir original gene herritage they'd really be a mongoloid race (oriental), like people people of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and a those other ex Soviet republics (partially) are. But it seems like Turks these days are mainly caucasoids and if there IS a mongoloid genetic presence it's certainly very faint. So as far as their genes are concerned... they're as European as it gets. About city names: Old city names are only contraversial when there're political agendas (or at least political ideologies) behind it. For instance old latin names for major cities are widely used here in popular culture (Emona, the Roman name for our capital Ljubljana is also a chain of stores, Celeia, the Roman name for Celje (our 3rd largest city) is a dairy etc) Given the history of Constantinople/Istambul it's really very obvious Turks would consider it a great symbol of triumph over their adversaries, so it's kind of logical this would be a touchy subject (as it is for Europeans). |
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i dont give much shit about those "genes" thing but heres a little research about etruscans.The Etruscan people are the people who ruled Italy before the Roman period if my memory doesnt betray me.In this research it says that etruscans have a very very strong relativeship between Turks and Tuscans
hers the research by the Ferrera university in Italy in pdf format |
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So it's now official, Romania and Bulgaria will join the EU in 3 months, so congrats to them.
After those two, the enlargement process will however come to a long pause. Until the EU gets new institutions, there will be no more enlargement, and i think that was the reasonable thing to do. The EU must get its constitution and a much more federal structure before going any further. |
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27-09-2006, 02:28 | #170 |
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I have a feeling we may pull out of the EU
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LOL! So true! We are majorly over reacting at the moment about Romania & Bulgaria. Damn us having the language so many people know! LOL
There's been a lot about this recently, too. |
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so pathetic!! when the next american elections will take place? our lovely W. would better ratify the treaty of Kyoto for Sustainable development's sake !! |
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EU-led Cyprus-Turkey talks have collapsed and are unlikely to resume anytime soon. EU leaders will meet in December and may decide to freeze accession talks with Turkey.
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The EU commission will publish next week a report on Turkey and its ability to join the EU, the BBC has already read the report and its conclusions are very negative for Turkey.
EU leaders will meet in December to discuss the report and what to do next, several EU Members are expected to ask for a suspension of accession talks with Turkey. |
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In related news, in the same report published next week, the EU commission will recommend to postpone membership talks with Western Balkan countries until an undefined date.
However, the EU commission is once again shying away from formally declaring where the final borders of the EU will be, which in my opinion is a grave mistake. If more and more people are opposed to further enlargement, it's precisely because they don't know 'where it's going to end' and feel that it's gotten out of control. People need to know what the final borders of the EU will be so they can get used to it, keeping a blur on the borders will only push people to be even more conservative and block any future enlargement in fear that 'it's never going to end'. |
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As expected, the EU commission has issued a report recommending to pause the enlargement process.
No speedy Balkan enlargement as EU urges reforms EU to take more self-protecting approach to enlargement Personally, i totally agree with the decision, the EU has gone from 15 to 27 states in a couple of years, a long pause is very much needed. The EU is already big enough to be a major player in the world anyway, and with the latest enlargement, it has reached in the East the strategic borders that it was aiming to reach. Now, the primary focus for the foreseeable future should be on strengthening the EU as it is. We also should be very careful about the real intentions of any future member state. Poland for example pretended to be very much pro-European during accession talks, but as soon as it secured its membership, it turned around and said it was actually quite eurosceptic, pro-American and pretty much in line with the UK in thinking that the EU should be dissolved. We'll have to make sure that future members join for the right reasons and not because they want to sabotage the EU from the inside. It would probably be prudent to pause enlargement until the EU (or a subset of the EU such as the Eurozone/Schengen states) reach federal status, which would prevent a few newcomers to jeopardize what the older members have worked hard to build since 1957. |
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Poland refuses to cooperate with the EU investigation into the illegal CIA detention centers and renditions.
Poland has become the first EU member state to be theatened several times that its voting rights in EU institutions could be suspended for failure to respect fundamental EU regulations (the previous time was when Poland mentioned its intention to bring back the death penalty). The general attitude of Poland since joining the EU only 2 years ago has been extremely disappointing to say the least, the country has quickly turned its back from the EU and become pretty much a trojan horse of the Bush administration, apparently breaching some basic EU regulations in the process. One can wonder if Poland was truely ready to join the EU, a bitter experience to keep in mind for future possible enlargements. Unfortunately the EU lacks federal powers to fully investigate the wrong doings of member states, but hopefully the recent Democrat victory in the US will allow to unveil the dirty work of the Bush administration and by ricochet will hurt those in Europe who have shamelessly collaborated with it. Some people in Europe seem to have considered that the Bush administration would remain in power forever and that there never would be any consequences to a full colaboration with it, i can only hope that they'll be proven wrong very soon. |
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