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I always felt uneasy about Tatu for that reason. I could see that when the truth came out in the end, people would be hurt. However, I thought that would happen AFTER Tatu finished. I didn't expect them to dramatically unmask themselves like they did in Anatomy. I therefore thought any damage would be quite limited. I also felt they had a get-out. They kept saying that their sexual orientation didn't matter, they were so deliberately ambiguous and kept hinting they weren't, they talked about having boyfriends and that they might go back to men. The message seemed to be that sex and sexual orientation weren't such a big deal. What Lena said on Anatomy was what was so particularly damaging. 1. Maybe, just maybe, she wasn't referring to the promotion of a homosexuality as being sinful. But it was a very obvious implication given the context that she was seeing a Russian Orthodox priest - Russian Orthodoxy thinks homosexual activity is a particularly serious sin. To think that's not the impression that most people will have got is to close your mind to unwelcome thoughts. It's obvious that's how people would take it and they must have known that when they released the film. 2. Talking about sin at all meant that she didn't believe in Tatu's message. Even if what she thought was sinful was say the sexual explicitness, rather than the homosexual content (but she unaccountably forgot to say so), it was a renunciation of the pro-sexual freedom, anti-guilt message. It meant she wasn't sincere about Tatu's message. It's one thing for Tatu not to be gay if they believe the message. It's another thing for Tatu not to be gay if Lena at least doesn't believe the message. |
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Good for her but so? The fact that Melissa Etheridge didn't have a problem with Tatu is not of any help to the young fans who are upset. She's not the one talking to them, but i'll pass your suggestion to give her a call, i'm sure that'll be a great comfort to them.
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18-02-2004, 20:54 | #124 | |
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Ahem. Lena and Yulia were and still are great champions of loving who you want to love, not giving a damn what people might think, and laughing in the faces of all the narrow-minded people of this world (no matter what their own preferences are). Despite constant attempts to undermine their credibility, to me they still are all of this, and nothing they have said, nothing at all, leads me to believe that this has changed in any way. xena225 EDIT to say: Sorry for being off-topic. |
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18-02-2004, 20:58 | #125 |
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I agree with xena225. For one I always thought that for tatu really living their message they would have to be bisexual, because they wanted to show that *all* kinds of love where good as long as it was love.
Honestly I understand people being hurt. But there are also some people who are not hurt. And continuing to hurt each other won't help anyone. |
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18-02-2004, 21:21 | #126 | |
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She's against the legalization of marijuana and she thinks that what they do on stage are sins. |
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18-02-2004, 21:40 | #128 | |
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Yulia: Lena is like the sun - she always makes everything around her warmer. She's the person whom it's natural to have by my side. And they're gonna get married and have kids too. I know this thing Yulia has for Pasha is just a phase - she's confused, poor girl. It was that awful press that led her to turn straight for a while, of course she was always Lena's girlfriend! Everything they do stems from their love. For example, Yulia masturbating. |
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Conversely, I believe that for instance Russian joking isn't well understood in Germany and Austria. |
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By the way who tells you that I am "teutonic"?! Living in Germany doesn't mean being "teutonic". Glad I know now that you're one of "those" for whom nationality means certain qualities and such... gotta look out and fulfill all your expectations from now on... |
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P.S. "Teutonic" is the English adjective to refer to something relating to both Germany and Austria. |
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P.S. Just in case your additional remark is directed at me - "teutonic" (teutonisch) isn't exactly a word being used here these days when speaking about supposed "characteristics" of Germany/Germans - doesn't fit and kinda "old-fashioned" to put it mildly. whatever... |
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19-02-2004, 03:17 | #133 |
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OK guys, no more 'jokes'
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19-02-2004, 06:24 | #134 | |
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19-02-2004, 07:05 | #135 | |
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well up to pasha we never really had a real indication that they had boyfriends either. Plus I think they wanted to make up for that with their "we love each other" speeches. *shrugs* staringelf no matter what you say that Lena said I do think that she *is* open-minded. If she weren't than she would have reacted differently to that man who came to their autograph sighning dressed as a woman. |
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But believe me, nothing would make me happier than a bisexual Lena! I'm not closed to the idea, far from it! But i'll need to see/hear something that looks/sounds genuine. |
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I wonder why some people are so incredibly opposed to them being bisexual. *goes to ponder the possible reasons for this* xena225 |
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19-02-2004, 16:23 | #138 |
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haku, I never heard her say the world gf on stage either *lol* but I didnt understand anything at the concert so that coul be the reason *grins*
well I know that there was an interview with them..I think a polish one..and I think that lena said bisexual in there...plus I think they said it while in slovakia xena225, depends on how you look at it |
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19-02-2004, 22:01 | #139 |
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Lena410 - I think I remember that. It was a while ago...I'll have to go find it.
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20-02-2004, 05:32 | #140 |
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not this debate again.
although i used to think yulia was highly sexual and thus likely to be bi/open, i always thought lena to be into girls. now, yulia is straight. she's not into girls, not at all. it's not that the more i think about her having a boyfriend the straighter she gets, it's just that, everything is clear: she's not into girls, at least, not into other girls. what thick blanket of delusion ivan has pulled over my eyes only to rip it away at the most crucial moment. it's weird, when i go back to watching video clips/interviews, i STILL resort to thinking they're attracted to each other/to girls in general. they must've been SUCH good acters. |
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