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I'd love to hear OBezyanka Nol from ony Yulia.
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For Lena, though, it makes perfect sense for her to do Tatu songs. Like anyone else who has left a band to go solo, she wants to take some of the old songs with her, to let people know who she is and to help make a decent length set list. Most artists striking out on their own won't have enough of their own songs to begin with, so either have to use songs from their old band, or do covers. So why not wait until they have enough of their own songs? Because it would mean a long wait before Lena and band could get an album out and get on the road. This might be fine for Yulia, who has turned "keeping the fans waiting" into an art form, but Lena, Renski and the band obviously want to keep the momentum going. Despite what some people have said, they have written and recorded several new songs quite quickly and have started live performances as soon as they had enough songs. Of course the thing with the Tatu songs, is that Lena is performing some songs that Tatu never did live, so I don't see the problem with that. Mind you, I can see Yulia's annoyance at Lena doing Running Blind, as that was practically a Yulia solo song on the album. In fact I think the only songs Lena does, that were performed by Tatu, are NGGU and ATTSS, and since they are the "big hits" that everyone knows, it would be stupid not to do them. I have to admit that I find the Tatu fans' attitude of "they can only be performed by both the girls together" ludicrous. Ozzy does old Sabbath songs, Sting does old Police songs, Robert Plant does old Zep songs, Paul Rodgers does old Free songs, Slash does old G'N'R songs. Why should Tatu be any different? |
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Just to add: I wouldn't mind if Lena sang some tatu songs, but doing the "best of tatu" from three albums, 2/3 of the performance, and here and there a few new ones, which sound older than the demo tapes of the first album, and not at least as creative as the worst product written for tatu, makes the whole project pathetic. Change is urgently needed. This is a barrel burst. |
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-28th July- the shooting for her first video begins for the track "HoldHate" -Shooting will take place in L.A. over 3 days -The release of the video is scheduled during a concert on September 17th -All the material is almost ready for the release -There will be 14 tracks- her band members performed in some songs (idk if they mean play instruments or sing) -The album is called "Marvelous Rustle" -At the end of the summer an international PR campaign will begin for Lena according to Zhenya |
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The name HoldHate is not so promising to me. It's probably something like IRS, probably a little better.
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Running Blind - Tatu - Never performed live before Fly on the Wall - Tatu - Never performed live before ATTSS - Tatu World - New Craving - Tatu - Never performed live before Cosmos - Tatu HSIN - Smith's Cover IRS - New Just A Day - New Lost In Love - New Show Me Love - Tatu So Not Cool - New Stay - New 30 Minutes - Tatu NGGU - Tatu Tatu - 8 - 3 of which Tatu never performed New - 6 Cover - 1 I think that's reasonable for someone starting out as a solo performer, after the previous band imploded. I don't really want to get into tedious arguments about this, it's just that I think everyone should give Lena a chance to establish herself before condemning her as useless, when she hasn't even released her first solo album. |
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Totally agree with everything mulder said. Nothing to add.
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About the tatu songs in her concerts: There is (in principle) nothing to say against Lena using them in her concert. The tricky point is the choice and the amount. She can use any of the third album, it's practically not released outside Russia and therefore can even be treated as if the songs were written for Lena. To some degree the same goes for the second album, if she leaves the hit song(s) alone. Hardly anybody outside the tatu community will recognize that it's not genuinely Katina. The songs of the first album ARE known and exactly that can cause trouble. The tatu songs she performs are all considerably "better" than her own new songs (you may of course see the quality of the new songs different, but that's my own impression, and not only mine), even the best ones simply can't compete, they go under. Professional people, who know the origin of the songs, will immediately recognize this and come to the conclusion that the entire project is based on tatu's creative work alone, and you won't get support from them, which is the last thing you want to achieve (seen from the viewpoint of an incompetent never will be band manager). Seeing that the gigs had much to do with tatu fan service, I would nevertheless choose less songs from the tatu past and at least partly avoid the top hits because of too much competition for my own new songs. I think somewhat smaller gigs or some covers of other artists' work are no bad alternatives. Quote:
With a foreign project, where the main figure doesn't live at the point, where they start and develop the business, it's different. The option of slowly developing the project is way too expensive and your time in the foreign country is limited. I see no other way than have the right package complete and launch with a good amount of noise. Veni - vidi - vici, if everything goes well. Not knowing the huge American scene I can't remember an artist working outside the USA, English being not his first language, and working slowly to the top or at least to some point of common recognition. I can't imagine this can ever work outside your home country. My biggest concern is the image. I will never understand why they dropped the idea from the beginning, this unusual style from the start of her own website, I guess everybody loved it. It's something different and it feeds your imagination. You can develop (almost) anything on top of that, you are not limited as it was with the tatu image. But we got Lena clothed as boring as possible, with blue gloves (oh my God, what a great idea - making strange hand moves with blue gloves - a genius who made this up!). Of course there are some acts who can live with the image of the girl next door, but unfortunately next door is more than 10.000 miles away, and therefore not a credible image. Add to this weak image and style a girl with anything but a firm voice, no self-assuredness nor individuality in appearance, no new song with hit potential, a sound which doesn't stand out (so that people immediately identify and see apart from other groups), no message (in songs, appearances, media releases, interviews etc...) whatsoever, the highlights being the oldest hits from the former group, nothing what defines a clear and assertive Lena Katina profile, which can be sold, and you are satisfied with the development over two years of working on the project? In my old-fashioned dilettante view of showbiz I don't see a pivot for an international career with prospect, not without considerable changes. I want to see a successful Lena Katina (at least to a reasonable degree) and not a project which stumbles from fiasco to fiasco, as the tatu project did since 2007. It's no fun to see a project you follow with interest and sympathy either be ignored or ridiculed everytime someone writes an article. |
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Because. You're missing the entire point that Lena should be establishing herself as Lena Katina. Nobody is saying she should completely abandon all t.A.T.u. material. But eight songs of t.A.T.u. in her entire setlist? Seriously? No former band member does that injustice to their former band.
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