Migration :: Your opinions

[xmad]

Originally Posted by Lux

when it comes to migration, the topic is better discussed between countries and people of eastern europe, is it not?

No,why?
the topic says "Migration :: Your opinions" so everyone is free to discuss.

[Anouk]

Originally Posted by coolasfcuk

Offtop:
you know what they say, either from the capital or a provincialist, regardless of the size of the place

Offtop:
Maybe they say that in your little world, because I have never heard form that

[haku]

Originally Posted by coolasfcuk

culturally i think it is easier to divide Europe in North-South, rather than East-West - meaninig more similarities.

Oh i agree, the real difference in Europe is between the North and the South, between the Nordic ones (people who historically communicated with each other through the North and Baltic seas and were mainly outside the Roman Empire) and the Mediterranean ones (people who historically communicated with each other through the Mediterranean sea and were inside the Roman Empire), different cultures and mentallities developped in those two areas.
Being a Northern French person, i feel culturally much closer to Brits, Scandinavians, or Germans than i do to Southern French people. And Southern French people feel culturally much closer to Italians or Spaniards than to Northern French people.
The West-East divide was only caused by a temporary political opposition that only lasted 40 years, in a few decades it will be all forgotten and we'll be back to the natural North South divide.

Originally Posted by coolasfcuk

even though people in EU can move around and get jobs anywhere they want, there is still sort of 'migrartion' process involved as the EU countries are still pretty culturally diverse.

That's true, but it all depends where you come from and where you move to.
For example, many French people from Languedoc-Rousillon (that's on the West French Mediterranean coast) have moved to Catalonia in Spain to work, those people are very close culturally, and those French people who work in Catalonia do not feel and are not perceived *at all* like immigrants, they are just seen like people who've moved from a neighboring region and have absolutely no problem to fit in.
Other similar examples include French people from Alsace and Lorraine who've moved to Bade-Wurtemberg in Germany, again very close culturally and not causing any problem, or French people from Normandy who've moved to Southern England.
Those small movements between neighboring EU members do not cause any problems and are not percieved at all on either side as immigration, just like people moving from a neighboring region like i said above, and those movements actually represent the majority of population movements in the EU. People who move very far from their original location and make some people freak out are a small percentage of population movements in the EU as a whole.

[QueenBee]

Anouk, sorry to hear about your back! My uncle's is the same.

I still don't understand what jobs they are 'stealing' so to say. I mean, I'm not sure what kind of eastern europeans move to Holland but I'm guess it's the same as those who move here, when it comes to age group.

So these people are usually middle-aged or so, and they most likely don't know English well. That's why I asked if you would want to work with construction or cleaning, because that's usually the jobs that they get. As it was already mentioned before, these are no "good" jobs so to say, I mean, they can pay you rent but that's pretty much it.

And they probably get the jobs because, you know, they don't mind working long hours for less money than you would get, so of course the companies take them instead.. next time you're on an interview tell them they can pay the same amount to you as they pay immigrants. If you get the same amount of hours and work I'm sure you would quit soon enough (I know I would... eeek!)

Besides, I'm positive that if you owned a company, you would be perfectly fine with immigrants working for you, for cheaaap. I know I would. And that's really how the companies are thinking, so maybe you should complain about them instead of the immigrants who steal your jobs.

[Ryzhov]

I saw this topic and thought it was going to be about the migration dispute in the US right now. Thousands of Mexicans have been protesting across America recently because of it. I don't know if anyone saw that South Park episode with the "They took our jobs!" catchphrase, but it's a lot like that here.

[exileut]

Originally Posted by Ryzhov

I saw this topic and thought it was going to be about the migration dispute in the US right now. Thousands of Mexicans have been protesting across America recently because of it. I don't know if anyone saw that South Park episode with the "They took our jobs!" catchphrase, but it's a lot like that here.

Like half of the US is mexicans now

[coolasfcuk]

i just wanted to say that i was reading 'The Atlantic' magazine this morning while having breakfast and i came across this article, so i thought Id post it here, with no time to comment on it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/...ok-immigration

[Lux]

Originally Posted by exileut

Like half of the US is mexicans now

% of US Population (2000) 6.5 http://names.mongabay.com/ancestry/Mexican.html

a big change, meaning a large influx of mexican immigrants. this is a big issue in the us.

[haku]

Originally Posted by coolasfcuk

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/...ok-immigration

Well, yeah, America is always better than everyone else, the rest is just shit.

[PowerPuff Grrl]

Originally Posted by haku

Well, yeah, America is always better than everyone else, the rest is just shit.

When it comes to immigration though... yeah, actually they kind of are.
Except Canada, 'cause Canada rocks y'all!

[Lux]

Originally Posted by PowerPuff Grrl

When it comes to immigration though... yeah, actually they kind of are.
Except Canada, 'cause Canada rocks y'all!

LOL. agreed.

[Lux]

Originally Posted by Kate

I have no opinion on this. LOL.

LMAOOOOOO@that.