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13-04-2006, 13:27 | #41 |
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I understand and respect migration, even for economical reasons. I have nothing against it.
But I will be frank, I'm absolutely upset by people who chose to migrate to a country and spend their time in treating it as a sh*t and are, in a constant way, agressive towards this chosen country. Nothing new...told it before. |
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13-04-2006, 14:05 | #42 |
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Well, i've said it before as well, i am actually opposed to any more immigration from outside the EU, but EU citizens moving within the EU is a totally different matter, they are not 'immigrants', there are no internal borders and EU citizens are free to live and work wherever they want, and i have absolutely no problem with that, i welcome it, the more EU people will be mixed, the better.
And of course the level of life (and therefore prices, salaries, etc.) is lower in the new 8 eastern EU members, but it won't last forever! This is a transitional period and the new EU members will be brought to EU standards progressively, the developement in those countries is already going at a fast pace. The same thing happened when Ireland, Spain or Portugal joined the EU over 20 years ago, those countries had a much lower level of life than older EU members (and Spain and Portugal, just like the new eastern EU members, just went out of dictatorial regimes), and believe me (i was there!) some people were saying the same thing about those countries than what some people are saying today about the new eastern EU members. But 20 years later, those countries are totally on a par with the rest of the EU, and the same thing will happen with the new eastern EU members. In 20 years, Poland or Hungary will be just as rich as any other average EU member and prices/salaries will have been leveled with the rest of the EU. |
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13-04-2006, 14:10 | #43 |
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I'm afraid it's fruitless dispute. Migration can be blessing for someone and curse for others , it depends who migtrates , where , why....
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13-04-2006, 14:14 | #44 |
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with all due respect to your knowledge haku, Ireland joined the EU ( then EC ) back in 1973, while Spain and Portugal in 1986...knew there was a bit of a gap there |
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Honestly though, most people like that are from outside of Europe. Hmm, maybe I'm a bit of a racist, then. |
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Migration??why not.I will do my best not to go back to my country.people like me have no right in my country.All they can do is just hiding everything.As far as I know almost all my friends are trying to move somewhere else. |
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13-04-2006, 14:55 | #48 |
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well, Anouk, heil Dutch! Kill all the fucking immigrants and get rid of your problem then! that's about all i can say ....
oh and lastly: i paid the same for insurance when i was self employed the last couple of years and not to mention that for 500 euro a month you can get JACK SHIT where I live (aka the San Frarncisco Bay Area), so concider yourself 'lucky' One bedroom apartments start over a 1000 |
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Also the fact that many people, at least where I live, who came from outside of Europe came from very bad conditions. For example they had just survived a war, and they don't get any help either to fix their emotional problems. Not so strange that they get very aggressive. Suppressed emotions, I think. But of course there are exceptions, some people are just dumb. Some people from outside of Europe are great, too. Quote:
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BTW - Heil Dutch? That doesn't make sense.. So what are you worshipping? Our language? Because thats Dutch.. The people? Because if so, you should say "heil the Dutch" and my country is Holland or the Netherland, in that case it would be "heil Holland" or "heil the Netherlands".. So you'll get it right next time I don't live in Amsterdam, but I'm pretty sure you have to pay around 1000 euro's for an appartment there aswell That's the way it is in large cities like that, in case you never noticed.. Quote:
For your information.. There is this campagne going on so that foreign people will recieve the same pay as we do.. So they have been complaining, in the contrary to what you've said, otherwise it wouldn't be such an issue right? I actually do hope that it'll be enforced so they'll make the same amount as we do, if so, there is no reason to hire foreign people because they're not cheaper anymore.. |
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13-04-2006, 16:01 | #53 |
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thanks qb. and spy - its good to come back to your comments. on another note, san fran has one of the most inflated real estate markets in the US so it's understandable it's more expensive than many cities. question: when it comes to migration, the topic is better discussed between countries and people of eastern europe, is it not? i mean, it is only more of a problem there because the countries are small and next to each other. that is, if i were living in france and moved to spain, that would be my immigrating to spain. i dont know if i'd say i migrated to spain from france. that just sounds weird. but i guess it's all semantics anyway. |
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I thought she meant that she has personally not experienced that up close (not migration, but people working in other countries but their own for less money etc.).. I guess I misunderstood.
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I also wanted to add in response to haku, that even though people in EU can move around and get jobs anywhere they want, there is still sort of 'migrartion' process involved as the EU countries are still pretty culturally diverse. EU does not deal with culture and identity. I just came back from Portugal and Spain and out of all the places I've been in EU (Czech R., Germany, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, France, Italy, Sweden, Spain and Portugal - just as a comparision) Portugal reminded me SO MUCH more of Bulgaria than any of the other ones, even Czech R., which felt a lot more westernized. Portugal is South europe and culturally i think it is easier to divide Europe in North-South, rather than East-West - meaninig more similarities. Of course i've only visited those countries, so my impressions arent of a person who's actually lived there |
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