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There's a difference from writing a term paper in Cockney/Ebonics and speaking to a neighbour in standard English (whichever standard that is). If both parties conversing with each other understand each other and prefer to speak in some dialect, then they have every reason do so! What do you want? The language police to come over and give them a fine? And by over-exaggerated TV shows, you mean Coronation Street. One, I can't watch it (I tried!) because I can't understand what they are saying. And two, in Ottawa, all I hear is the Posh accent from British immigrants, which I am quite frankly getting sick of. |
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25-01-2006, 05:17 | #44 | |
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E.g. American corporate culture made up the word "proactive." Lexicons like these are created everywhere and anywhere which can further complicate things. Moreover these are used in casual and professional settings. Words like these, IMHO, are changing the English language spoken here. Where's the outrage in this?! Ebonics is simply shared in a casual manner. Where you got the idea that it was taught in schools is simply ridiculous. Your linking the usage of Ebonics with the deterioration of the public education system is laughable; oh no! It can't possibly be becasue of the effects of Property Taxes and redistricting of communities and rise of private schools with the re-emergence of segregation. No no, it had to be Fiddy Cent! |
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Like i said in a previous post, the first purpose of a language is communication, and when a language splits into mutually unintelligible dialects, that's not good. Quote:
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25-01-2006, 07:11 | #46 | |
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The English language has the luxury of existing in the time of telephone, internet and easy travelling so it is virtually impossible for it to have the same fate of Latin. The only hindrance I see to it lasting is the accent, but it has already been a bit over a hundred years and we're doing alright, thank you. And perhaps it's my Canadian mentality but I would rather much prefer a democratization of the language by the people who use it. Not some Orwellian rule of language. As long as we understand each other, I don't see what the problem is. I think what this boils down to really is taste. You can justify it anyway you like but there are several other dialects in the States alone, why you point out Ebonics is beyond me. It is a dialect, bringing up the concern of grammar is a moot point because avoiding proper grammar is part of what a dialect is all about. Why you point out something that isn't even part of the American standard, that is spoken by and only by a small minority of people, is beyond me. |
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sorry, powerpuff, but i think it's far from being a dialect. it's pure jargon. it uses english words spelled and pronounced differently and defies the rules of grammar in an obnoxious way. it's what most black people in america do in order to differentiate themselves from white people. and this ebonics thing was 'developed' by people with little or no education at all. you just need to hear it or see it spelled to know that. i do agree with cirrus. it can be tolerated (for fun, kicks, laughs), but just as long as people know how to speak proper english as well. or let's say international english. the accent doesn't bother me. i dont consider you butcher english if you have this or that accent. this depends on the sounds you've been taught and used to, and even on physical features (the shape of your oral cavity). but really, i don't think we should grant extra rights to uneducated people, such as this ebonics being taught in school (the idea just makes my skin crawl). and that and only that would make it a dialect. it being recognized officially as that by linguists. and it won't be, trust me. it lacks logical grammatical structure, among other things. plus, again, i don't think uneducated people should have the right to raise their jargon at the level of dialect or, God forbid, language. there's enough stupidity in the world as it is.
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Doan dis me 'bout how ma gums be flappin' , I bust a cap in yo ass.
'Sides it ain ma fault, I done got dat ebonic plague. |
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25-01-2006, 12:53 | #51 |
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it is definitely not slang. slang is supposedly understand by many but ebonics is not when people here don't even understand it. also, when masses of people communicate via ebonics, it goes beyond just being slang.
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dont see whats wrong with talking not proper language. u should know it, but speak it only in official occasions.
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