France - General discussion

[the unforgiven]

haku, thanks for the poll
so François Bayrou is here hehehe
I had seen on tv last night that Jean-Marie Le Pen is mad (oh really? lol) cuz' he considered Philippe De Villiers as a "vote thief" lol, may be people open their eyes and they don't wanna vote to FN anymore

[haku]

Originally Posted by the unforgiven

may be people open their eyes and they don't wanna vote to FN anymore

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case, Le Pen has always gotten around 15% in the presidential 1st round, and apparently he'll get the same next year. Even 5 years ago when he managed to reach the 2nd round, he didn't get much higher results than usual, it's just that the left wing was devided between 15 candidates or something, that was just insane and that allowed Le Pen to finish second above all of them. We'll see if the left wing makes the same mistake this time.
What surprises me actually is that Le Pen didn't make his daughter run instead of him, she has a cleaner image and would probably get even more votes, maybe next time.


News: Nicolas Sarkozy has announced the official election dates:

Presidential 1st round: 22 april
Presidential 2nd round: 6 may
Legislative 1st round: 10 june
Legislative 2nd round: 17 june

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by haku

What surprises me actually is that Le Pen didn't make his daughter run instead of him, she has a cleaner image and would probably get even more votes, maybe next time.

just my point of view but I think Le Pen try a last time to fulfill his dream before letting his daughter do the job
it's just normal, previous elections show him he can have a little trust in victory
btw, I prefer killing myself than vote for FN hehe

[nath]

Originally Posted by the unforgiven

btw, I prefer killing myself than vote for FN hehe

Me .....I would prefer to vote Communist than to vote for FN hehe... I like my little health

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by nath

Me .....I would prefer to vote Communist than to vote for FN hehe... I like my little health

c'est la luuuuuttteee finale!! lol
no, really committing suicide sounds great to me you know I'm kind of rebel hehehe
I will never understand how people can vote for FN, may be I'm not enough open-minded

[fanoff]

Originally Posted by the unforgiven

about the mosque attack, wtf?!

i wanted to mean not only Armenian Memorials get damaged in France,and not only by us Turkish people.

[haku]

New socialist debate tonight. Le PS promet qu'il sera moins chiant que le premier.

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by fanoff

i wanted to mean not only Armenian Memorials get damaged in France,and not only by us Turkish people.

yeah, like finding swastika on graves
Plus, I never said that Turkish are evil or whatever

[haku]

So the second socialist debate was much more lively.

Ségolène Royal has mentioned once again her proposal to send young offenders to military detention camps, a rather radical and controversial idea for a socialist. Who said women would bring a softer touch in politics? The old Margaret Thatcher or the modern Condoleeza Rice have showed that this is a myth, female politicians are just as harsh as male ones.

The three socialist candidates promise to legalize gay marriage and adoption, so i may vote for one of them just for that.
Like for the abolition of the death penalty, that kind of social progress can probably only be made when socialists are in power, and conservatives won't touch it once it's done.

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by haku

The three socialist candidates promise to legalize gay marriage and adoption, so i may vote for one of them just for that.

hmmm I hope they'll really do that, cuz' I fear they might use this argument to gain some votes

today, I've seen one of the FN's slogan : être français, ça s'hérite ça se mérite *pukes*
it's like being stupid, it's in the genes

[haku]

Le meeting passionné du Zénith tourne à la dispute entre présidentiables

[haku]

Nice article for those who don't like Sarkozy, with an anti-Sarkozy video at the bottom of the page.

[nath]

http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/s.../214113.FR.php

Last night, for their investigation, French Police has taken 4 teenagers from 14 to 17 years old.
Saturday, almost one year after the riots which took place in France, some days after than an hommage was given to the victims, one bus full of people was burnt. People could escape except one woman who is right now in the coma,because she is burnt at 70%.

It's so funny as game!

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by nath

Last night, for their investigation, French Police has taken 4 teenagers from 14 to 17 years old.
Saturday, almost one year after the riots which took place in France, some days after than an hommage was given to the victims, one bus full of people was burnt. People could escape except one woman who is right now in the coma,because she is burnt at 70%.

this is just so sick!
I wonder why people done such things *sighs* obviously there's a problem with education and lack of respect
I will never understand this kind of drama, some people really need to open their eyes
it's a way too good to share with the others, to help, to learn etc etc instead of being violent and dumb

Social Supa Crew a funny link with the socialist politicians
Offtop:
je passe du coq à l'âne! sorry sorry

[haku]

So yesterday i watched a long interview with Strauss-Kahn on iTele and i have to say that i agreed with pretty much everything he said, except when it came to EU enlargement where he said he supported Turkey's membership, that was a big disappointment. It's hard to find a politician who thinks exactly like yourself.


In other news:

Chevènement announced he'll run for president, no surprise there… I hate the guy, even more than Fabius.

The antiliberals are trying to find an agreement for a single candidate, that doesn't seem very likely to happen at the moment.

[nath]

Originally Posted by haku

So yesterday i watched a long interview with Strauss-Kahn on iTele

On a personal level, I think that Strauss-Khan is the best candidate for the Left.
I think that Ségolène Royal could have some good ideas sometimes and that she has a BIG courage , in the French political world: she says what she thinks without be afraid by the taboos.... I mean in France especially you have to practice the "Politically Correct" speech.
So I think she was enough courageous to dare to tell some kinds of things which were hurting in the Left World.
But I think that , if you dig a little more, she isn't enough solid about the economical aspect.

Fabius, I really can't bear him for long time and I don't know why he sounds always "wrong/fake/insincere" to my ears when he speaks.

About Strauss-Khan...even if there are some little things I don't like in him as a person, I think he has very good knowledge about the economical aspect.

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Some little anecdotes:
Around 20 years ago, i was working with a friend who was still as student.
She was a very kind and simple girl .

One of her best friend was the daughter of Strauss-Khan.
So, once, it was just at the opening of Euro Disney, she was invited by her friend (the daughter) to come with the family to Euro Disney.

It was the inauguration of Euro Disney so the company had invited a lot of V.I.P to stay a week-end : the visit of the park + the super hotel.
All was FREE and paid by the company.

I remember how my friend was shocked by Strauss-Khan who was criticizing with a big disgust the Bedroom, saying that there was not enough Fruits there to say Welcome to people when they arrive in their bedroom.
He was criticizing everything: the hotel , the food, the attractions, the people working there...nothing was enough good for him!

Personally, it always makes me smile a lot , people who "fight" for inequalities and live themselves in the most expensive areas of Paris like Little Bourgeois..

We call that here :"The Caviar Left".....

My friend, her, was just so admirizing of all this Luxe, all these marvellous things which where offered to her ...for free....

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About Ségolène:
Another of my friends is gymnastic teacher in the schools of Paris.
Once, she was at the swimming pool teaching to kiddies how to swim.
As she is enough energetic, one of her friends, another gymnastic teacher came and told her: "Take it easy with this one because she is the daughter of Ségolène Royal"...
My friend answered "Ségolène or not Ségolène I don't care!"...
So he explained to her that Ségolène wasn't liked at all by the teachers cause she was tolerating absolutely no remark about her kiddies.

And he explained too this little story:
The daughter of Ségolène has to go with her class in an "open-class" during 2 weeks. It means that the full class with the teacher moves to the mountain or to the sea to have some special activities there..

Before to leave, the teachers organized a meeting with all the parents in explaining some important rules. Ségolène was there cause she was a parent + the representing of the pupils parents. At this time, she was Minister of Family I think.

One of the important rules is that a kind of deal is necessary to install with the parents: they can write to their children but they don't have to call them at the phone nor to visit them. Because , it isn't easy for the organization and because , if they do it, it breaks the kind of balance which is tried to be installed by the teachers: babies will cry cause they want to see their mums and so on...

So Ségolène was there and said to the other parents: "Yes! Of course, it's very important to respect this rule for the good rhythm of the child!".

The class went to the "open-class"..and of course, Ségolène was the only one who was calling her daughter each noon and each evening...
As she was a Minister , nobody dared to say anything....

And the must of the must is that...as she was a Minister of Family, Ségolène decided that it would be a good thing for her job to visit an "open-class" to check the conditions of living of the pupils of the French school...
So Our Ségolène ask for a shopper/helicopter and she arrived , guess where?....to the "open-class" where was her daughter....

I understand her feeling of mother but this story always makes me smile cause it shows that "whatever you're from Left or from Right" , there is always a big difference between the words and the acts

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by nath

"whatever you're from Left or from Right" , there is always a big difference between the words and the acts

I totally agree with you
the only one who can be proud of acting as he thinks is Le Pen ... dumbness all the way

Originally Posted by haku

Chevènement announced he'll run for president

omg!! papie fait de la résistance!! still alive? lol

I read that DSK's popularity increased in last polls and that Jack Lang supports Ségolène Royal cuz', in his point of view, she's the only one who can be elected at 1st round by socialists
so 1st round on the 16th of November and I guess the second one is on the 23th (not sure here)

[haku]

Thanks for the anecdotes nath, always nice to know how they behave behind the scenes.


I was reading what was said during the debate last night, and oh my… Strauss-Khan said that he was seeing the EU expanding "around the Mediterranean"?! Did he blow a fuse or something? What the hell went into him, we're not trying to build a new Roman Empire, the days of Mare Nostrum are over. I guess that's bye bye DSK.

[haku]

Now that's different, Clémentine Autain (one of the antiliberal candidates) has revealed in the press that she was raped when she was a student… What an odd thing to bring up during a campaign.

[the unforgiven]

I read in "20 minutes" that Ségolène thinks that the debates were unfair cuz' DSK and Fabius know Elkabach better than her
for her, he gave some tips about the questions etc etc here's the article
and I read that Bruno Gollnisch has to pay 10 000 euros cuz' he insulted Jews hehe great to hear that
I'm also glad that he's no longer a teacher in university Lyon 3 *whistles* son of a b*tch lol