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31-08-2010, 22:05 | #241 |
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No one should ever really be "ashamed" of whatever they listen to - it's music and sometimes it's just all in good fun. I love deep, classy, complicatd music, but I also kinda enjoy a really crappy fun song occasionally.
I barely like GaGa's first album; but I have nothing to complain about her otherwise. There are people that actually do enjoy GaGa and take her seriously, and these people are far from what I consider the stereotypical "pop-humping bimbos". I don't like a lot of pop music and I barely pay attention to radio or MTV... but I can't say I don't like GaGa. I got interested in GaGa a little before she got really famous or "shocking!". I can also kind of relate to her theatrical presence, piano playing and silly "typical theatre kid" personality. I haven't found a personal reason for myself to stay away from her. She at least has some life-length musical background, so I wouldn't group her with one of the many pop stars who randomly made it big but have no idea what they're doing. |
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She was an NYU Art student. Untalented? - Have you seen the show she's designed? Heard the music she's written? Watched an acoustic performance or actually been to one? - No, I think not. As far as Rehashed Ace of Base? - Who are you listening to? Because it's certainly not GaGa. And no, I'm not - because hyped up commercial nonsense is actually the payoff of several years working as a cabaret artist, establishing herself not only in a world of music, but of politics, fashion and charity work as well. You're obviously fucking clueless Quote:
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See above. I deal with master's students (mathematics and engineering) every day, and not in the position of a student, might I add. I also have a musical education. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. Just try me by countering my arguments. You previously mentioned rational thinking yet you do not know what it entails? Did she graduate? Oh, wait, I know that. She did not. Quote:
I have also watched Gaga's acoustic performances. What regards her acoustic performances; what makes her more talented than the average musical student on your local musical school? As for her popular hits; unfortunately she didn't use the ounce of talent she has for creating something interesting musically that distinguishes her from, i.e. Britney Spears or Aguilera. Quote:
Regarding charity, an interview with Zemfira came to mind (here you have a real artist; she actually cares about music, and not only that, she's a celebrity with something as rare as intelligence!): "I do not want to be a part of some kind of mass rally against violence and terrorism. This is a personal decision. Violence and terrorism: these themes are speculative. They smell of lucrative business. I do not want to be perceived in this context". |
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Heh, I really have no idea. Do you? I don't listen to these genres, but there must be some talent somewhere? |
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01-09-2010, 00:02 | #245 |
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So you admit that you know nothing about this particular genre of music? What grounds do you have then to make the claim that GaGa is exactly or a copycat of that genre and not unique? Every musical artist borrows some influence from previous artists; however, that does not mean the newer artist isn't just as original.
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Oh never mind, I should have expected it. Let's instead go into "my grounds of criticizing Gaga". I admit that I haven't done any deeper research into Hip-hop and R'n'B, nor that I have any idea whether Ibiza music is better or worse than it as a whole. I have heard my share of all these genres however. The closest thing I had a somewhat appreciatation of with regards to these genres are probably Tricky's collaboration with Gravediggaz, some Public Enemy and Wu-Tang Clan. I haven't actively shielded myself from what's been playing on the radio for the past twenty years or so, hence even about genres I don't particularly care for I know a thing or two about. I didn't say that Gaga is a copycat; I said Madonna were; nor did I say that you can't be influenced from what's come before and still be a great musician and artist. However, personally I wouldn't consider Gaga to be a great musician, artist, lyricist or even intelligent. If you want to make a musical analysis on Gaga I'd be thrilled to read it! |
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01-09-2010, 08:15 | #248 |
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Convol I'd be happy to give an analysis of Gaga's music.
Most techno-ish music follows a similar beat pattern... It's built in layers. Every 16 beats a new layer is added or an old one subtracted; provided there is no vocal track. If there is a vocal track the change happens every 8 beats. Some musicians or DJs like expanding this model pattern to 32 beats and 16 beats respectively. It's dance music, it's easier to choreograph a dance to music that has the 8 count style most modern dancers prefer to use. This generally accounts for the repetitiveness in the broader techno genres and in some hip hop/club music. Gaga for the most part follows this pattern, with a bit of a twist. I recommend listening to her music with decent quality, noise canceling headphones... Preferably studio quality or inner ear buds. On the surface you'll hear that 16/8 pattern in the bass and in some cases the percussion... However, you'll find that her synth work rarely follows this pattern. She's a classically trained pianist. Her synth patterns range in style from pop, techno, classical, rock, ect. It's diverse and alive. She often hybrids multiple styles together in one song, masterfully. You don't notice she's done it, unless you really dig in and analysis each part individually. This mix and match is part of the reason that she's so popular. Most people can find at least one song by her that they like; or at least tolerate. If you talk to Gaga fans, you'll find that while they all like the same songs, but for very different reasons. She's exceedingly universal for an artist that is primarily categorized in the techno/dance genre. She transitions between different key signatures seamlessly... It's almost like you don't realize you just went from a major to a minor until she's switching back to a major key... which may or may not be the key she started in. That is undeniable music writing skills. Also the fact that she uses a key other than C at all, is a huge improvement on the Pop music scene in general. Her lyrics on the surface are extremely superficial, that's what sells pop music. However, upon further examination, it's littered with pop culture references, social commentary and tributes to her influences. She mocks the American obsession with fame, famous people and wealth. She can also sit in an interview and outline exactly what her reasons where for writing what she has... Not many artists (pop artists) can do that, most of them don't write their own lyrics, let alone music... Actually that's probably because she wrote it for them. *glares at Britney Spears* ... But it's 3am and I have a physics class at 9am. To be continued... |
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Thanks, Alexander, for your academic definition of the most sophisticated music style in history of humankind (apart from hip-hop, of course, which doesn't even have music at all ). Ashes on my head that I never valued this cultural highlight!
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The same goes for the music itself. We hear the radio singles, see the videos, and that's it. Europeans in particular have a far greater 'contact' to techno-dance, and what they hear, reminds them 'Ballermann 6'. (As explanation: the direct translation would be 'bangman'- pff. At the south beach of Mallorca there are about 15 balnearios - beach taverns, the most notorious, the number 6, where mostly German tourists stop by. They drink bear and sangria out of tin buckets and behave like animals. Maybe your Spring Breaks are a little bit similar to this 'tradition'. Well, at these meeting points of intellectual cultural exchange this kind of dance music is very popular.) You see that under these circumstances Gaga's music doesn't have an easy go, especially among the musically educated people. Gaga may be of high value for Americans (I won't sacrifice a minute to prove whether it is so or not), but she is definitely not on the other side of the Big Pond. Your worshipping her as the Messias of modern entertainment music is not at all understandable for non-Americans. Quote:
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Yep, I consider Zemfira a highly accomplished musician (perhaps that's why Patti Smith knelt before her after their duet at the festival in Kazan in '08?), Björk is pushing the boundaries of musical experimentation in a pop context, Kate Bush was a musical pioneer, Russian singer Pelageya has an amazing voice, Russian folk singer Inna Zhelannaya made a name for herself internationally before Tatu did (although in ethnic circles) and jams with Trey Gunn from King Crimson, Zhanna Aguzarova, well, how about you check her out yourself? I could continue but it's OT and I'd be happy to go into discussing any of these artists elsewhere on this board. All of them are infinitely more talented than Gaga could ever hope to be. Apparently "I'm not in tune with Lady Gaga at all", but from my point of view Gaga, having musical talent or not, music has finally been completely eclipsed by a persona based on regurgitated ideas, repackaged like a fast food meal. Not surprisingly Gaga keeps mentioning Warhol in the hope of attaining a semblence of credibility. Furthermore, there is the often encountered pseudo-intellectual meta-layer to explain away that Gaga's music would sit perfectly in between generic Eurovision songs, i.e. Gaga is actually making a comment on the notions of fame and artificiality by fully embodying these ideas herself. In other words, if this proposition is true, would this mean that Gaga doesn't even have a very high opinion of her own work, but despite caring about her fans so much she is fine with a lot of people being gullible enough to buy into it? Quote:
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And I'm sorry, but who are you? - Perhaps you should reference the creative agenda for her show. The list of designers is quite extensive - and if you consider the work of various renowned designers to be an "overly sexualized image" - I don't feel I need to discuss anything further with you because no disrespect meant, I would rather discuss something with someone who appreciates and attempts to understand the art of couture. And I'm sorry, but if you're saying that her music alone isn't enough to float without the backing of a show then you're quite mistaken. Not everyone goes to her show, and not everyone follows her closely. But despite what you think, her "sugar-coated-bubblegum music" is as entitled to it's part of the world of music just as much as any other genre that you yourself would defend. Not being your cup of tea has nothing to do with the discussion. I find it hilarious that you quote perhaps the shallowest of all her lyrics and use them as a mass representation of the work she does despite not listing any others worthy of recognition as well. Quote:
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Hmmm... I'm just thinking... People should be able to admit that the artists you love may not be as talented artists as you think. I'm not saying Lady GaGa isn't truly talented, cause clearly she has an abundance of talent, but what kinda talent?
I cannot discuss her musicianship, as I lack both the ability and opinion to do so. What is clear, however, and I what would say, is that Lady GaGa is an amazing business woman, and crediting all her hard work to being talented may only explain her abilities as a talented business woman that truly knows how to sell herself extremely well. That does not necessarily mean she's a good musician and/or artist by objective evaluation of her actual products. Her being an excellent business woman might actually hide the fact that she's a bad musician or artist. I'm not saying she IS a bad artists, but I'm rather just wondering if anyone here would be so humble to think of this as a possibility to their adoration or critique of her, and if you'd willingly admit to it if this were to be the case? After all, there's nothing wrong with enjoying poor musicianship. There are a lot of people that love mainstream punk music of the past 15 years for instance Taste will always be taste. As for my subjective view of her and her music, all I can say is that I find Paparazzi quite catchy and okay to listen to, and fun to sing as well, but I have no interest for her beyond that point. She's unattractive and plays quite straight forward mainstream music that gives me little pleasure, but I'm glad many people are getting pleasure from her works. At least it justifies her riches |
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A talent for acting like a whore, haha. Bad Romance is an ok song (although she sounds like a fucking idiot when she sings Ra Ra-ah-ah-ah. Roma Roma-ma GaGa Oh la-la). I think her fans can be annoying. Take Talyubittu for instance. I mean, that guy has his tongue up her ass I think, you know, the whole time when you actually listen to him talk about Lady Gaga. Sometimes makes me sick almost, it's unbelievable.
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04-09-2010, 15:58 | #258 |
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I'm not a fan of her but I listen to her music now and then. So I love mainstream pop She will be a classic and an example to tell how 2010s music was.
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I've said my piece. I'd rather have my tongue up the ass of someone who I believe is talented. I can't force you to agree with me, just present my opinion and maybe hope to sway yours.
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