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23-12-2003, 05:24 | #242 |
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freddie, I hope you don't think I'm some kinda preacher now who knocks on doors and tells about homosexuality. It's nearly impossible to convince people, but I'm just saying that it's isn't COMPLETELY impossible, but of course it won't be easy AT ALL.
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23-12-2003, 05:58 | #243 |
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Where I live, homophobia is rampant. And it's the intolerance
which is tolerated - even favored. In fact, I today had two encounters with it at work. The first comment came from one of the co-workers I think highly of, and the second came from the guy I've developed a massive crush on. I don't know what to think. To an extent, I tolerate their words. I know that their beliefs have been influenced by the society and environment here - I can't blame them for not countering that. The idea of fear has to be taken into consideration. Just as a lot of people don't wanna come out because they fear the consequences to their reputation, friendships, and so forth, I think that a lot of people also don't wanna go against majority opinion for similar reasons. Granted, in an attempt to soften the situation, people know me for being an open mind - they also are aware that I don't disapprove of homosexuality. It could be a means of perhaps coaxing tolerance to the surface. [But at times, I wonder if the confusion of this situation is just a complex illusion that the pathological liar inside me has been able to create. I want the guy I like to feel the same way for me - it's difficult for me to distinguish motives at the moment.] Enh. |
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Carthaginians were white people, Semites exactly, originally from Phoenicia. North Africa was part of the Roman Empire anyway at the time of christianization and populated by white people. You have to go to the south of Sahara to find black civilizations. You mentioned the Zulu nation, it was not known at the time. One black civilization that was known at the time was the Ethiopian kingdom. The christian church simply dismissed it, it could not have been created by black people themselves, impossible. Let's be clear here, the main reason the christian church would not recognize black people as being human was because they were black! They did not look like god! So every proof of civilization was simply disregarded. In the case of the Ethiopian kingdom, it was simple, the Egyptian civilization was not far away, so it was decided that Egyptian colonists had created the Ethtiopian civilization. And so on so forth. Quote:
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23-12-2003, 08:11 | #245 |
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haku, actually, love amongst FRIENDS is strange... boys actually punch or something their friends as a hello, while girls only "say hello" or do a fake cheek kiss. Between strangers, it's even worse.
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23-12-2003, 09:36 | #246 | |
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23-12-2003, 09:40 | #247 | |
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23-12-2003, 10:10 | #248 | ||
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However, I ultimately agree. A person has the right to belief whatever they may. This was not my earlier point. My point then was that people should not be permitted to use belief alone to justify an action which harms another person or infringes upon their rights. I can't, sadly, do physical damage to Ricky Martin. And those people who believe homosexuality is sinful ought mustn't be allowed to use this as a basis for oppression. Currently, they do. Quote:
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23-12-2003, 12:50 | #250 | |
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And if anyone wants to defend the position that homosexuality is sinful, I'll listen. Dogmatism never helped anyone. However, when a person claims that a perspective is 'right' simply because they suppose it to be God's perspective, that is in itself a dogmatic line of reasoning. And is therefore of no value in claiming a viewpoint to be rational. |
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23-12-2003, 15:21 | #251 |
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Religious texts have a knack of being grossly misinterpreted to suit a certain persons needs. How can we say that something that occurs naturally in nature is something that 'God' wouldn't want.
The basic principle of any religion is that of love and tolerance. To go against that by quoting ur own religuous text to prove a point that homosexuality is wrong (or any other thing for that matter) is to bastardize ur own religion. People lost sight of the real meaning of things a long time ago. Religion is used more nowadays (and even in the old days) as a means to regulate society. Moreso laws of living (i.e. 10 commandments, jews not eating pork, muslims not drinking and gambling) before there were any formal laws. Is it right to enforce the laws created in the name of God by men thousands of years ago... |
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HOWEVER. When we talk about dogmas that command you to hate homosexuals and thinking of homosexuality as a sin... those dogmas have no other reason but to suppress a minority, that particual part of society didn't like at the point of time that the dogmas were writen. It has no justification. It was just as vicious as slavery or as racism is today. Quote:
Exactly! Who knows for what reasons those laws were created. Like I meantioned above the laws might even be jstifiable 2, 3 thousand years ago. But not today. The person who wrote them had absolutely no clue what modern western society would look like. The reasons they had in those days would mostly look completely ridiculous today. Looking at things from this point of view, don't ortodox religious society look completely stupid and obsolete these days? I wouldn't go as har as calling them devil worshipers, but they are certainly people caught in time.. living by the laws created to keep in place simple-minded people who lived 2000-4000 years ago. It's like a time capsule. Not only the Bible. This goes double for the old testament, and al the other religious books. |
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How come a thread about fan status became one of religious beliefs?
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