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as off talking bout justice and history, the nurnbergtrials were allready mentioned....
there are many lessons to be learned indeed. as of my self i am agains deathpenalty . But as in 1946 there are more things to take in perspective, sadly.... In those cases it was not meant as punnishment nor as (as some ppl regard it) quick relief for the convicted... The problem that these people can bring to burden as long as they live, no matter how far away we put em is of far greater impact that the short outbreak of violence that might and most likely will happen concurring the death of this man. verry sad but true... In fact it would have been far better if he got killed in a figt during his capture, sounds harsh doesnt it ? Let me explain: ever since he got to trial several people of the court got killed not to mention what his speeches on stand will have inflicted, the extend of that can only be speculated about but im sure they didnt decrease the killing in iraq so inshort deatpenalty, its a most impopular measure but sometimes one has to choose between 2 evils.. and which one will be the better one of them we will never know for a choice had to be made and it has been made, we hung him and what ever consequence it will have we will have to do with it. |
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Apart from his own tribe, there isn't a single person in Iraq who would commit violence in the name of Saddam Hussein. But I agree that we're gonna see more voilence. ( not because of Saddam's execution though ). |
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pro abortion and contra death penalty or against abortion but pro death penalty. Doesn't make sense for me: kill or not kill? If a state kills his own people, for penalty or for whatever reason, it shows the value of human life in this state. At the same time it is a model for the citizens: if the state disregards the right to live, why should the citizens respect other people's lives? The consequences are obvious. The feelings of victims are somewhat different. There is a subconscious hope, that - if the cause of my suffering is dead, then my soul comes to rest. It doesn't really happen, but for some time the illusion of relief helps these people, but that's certainly not enough reason to kick human rights with feet. |
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As a side note, it seems to me that some of you didn't have the raw bliss of living/surviving under dictatorship. 'Cause if you did you'd be aware of certain concepts like 'collective guilt'. Saddam is gone. So what ? Ex nihilo nihil. One more thing that makes this thread really enjoyable : people talkin' 'bout human rights... First of all, the human being does not have innate rights. It's rights are either invented, either stolen. Second at all, the human being does not qualify to be rational at all. As such, the shear idea of humans deciding their own rights is rather frightening. |
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I think it's easy to say that he should live because it's not right to kill a human being... but I also think it's easy to say that if you haven't been affected by what he did. I just feel sorry for all those people who died or who lost someone, if I was them I'd be pretty happy to hear that he's dead... |
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What tells us that Bush hasn't instructed the deaths of hundreds of people too ( in the name of his country's security, the common good or whatever ) When they're bombing houses in Iraq and Afghanistan because they have information they hardour Al Qaeda aides, and hey guess what, they get the Al Qaeda aides sometimes what if they also kill dozens of innocent people, women and children - that is considered collateral damage and they don't blink an eye before they go on and do it. If Hussein was tried and killed for war crimes ( which were premeditated and vicious ) then Bush should at least be tried for war crimes too. Killing innocent people knowing you'll get some bad guys is premeditated too. Hitler was a butcher and a war criminal, wasn't the bombings of Berlin and Dresden war crimes too and in retaliation? Who was tried for those? There's no sense of justice when there's war. One does what one has to do. If you are in the side of the victor you're not a war criminal but a war hero. Quote:
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The Iraqi regime has showed a video of the hanging of two of Hussein's aides, one of the prisoners was even decapitated in the process, which is a nice touch.
Like with the previous execution video, there is no sound, probably to hide the insults and taunting from the spectators that can be heard in the unofficial video. It also seems that both prisoners were hooded against their will, probably for added humiliation. |
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Witnesses said Barzan and al-Bandar were shaking with fear as they approached the gallows.
Funny thing, this. I always wondered why these manically religious people shake as they're about to face death. If they're really that convinced in realigious dogma it should be a real blessing for them to get rid of this flesh-based existence. Unless they were bullshiting people all along and they really didn't believe shit. In general I have to reiterate again that I don't condone the death penalty for anyone. I just can't see how people can get personal satisfaction from the fact someone was murdered. Not even the families of slain Kurd victims. |
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