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Apparently Eminem is not a big fan of Bush either, he's about to release an anti Bush song.
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i learned that 85 percent of my campus is voting for Kerry... i was surprised by this... and wondered, "why wasn't i asked?"... most kids have already voted for Kerry actually, through absentee ballots. You can only vote in the county you are registered... and since so many aren't going to be able to go home on Tuesday and miss class (like they wouldn't want to... hahaha)... they've voted. It seems so great that my peers are actually getting involved unlike 4 years ago.
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luxxi, I based my opinion on hundereds of news articles, quotes from compaign appearances of both candidates, and the three debates etc. There's no point in listing all of them now, since you don't agree with me anyway.
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Hey! I just came to realize that President Bush's maths and biology and language skills (as in how many languages he can speak) are worse then mine!! Haha! He has lived over half of his life and he's more stupid scientifically then me.
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this is like 3rd grade 'debate' .... besides ...... what does biology have to do with usa presidency?? and also.... dont let other people shape your oppinions so much .. so far all ive heard you say about these elections is what ive heard/read the critics/journalists/cnn/etc say - I mean word-to-word. give some personal view - its much more fun to read... oh wait, the last one was a personal view... but it is just too humorous. |
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coolasfcuk, I didn't say it had anything to do with Presidency, I was just making a note of the fact. Lol. It wasn't even part of the debate from my side.
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spyretto, well, that's your opinion. I know that some, and maybe even most of the stuff the condidates said during the debates was false, but it was entertaining and I watched all three from the beginning until the end. This way you know exactly where the two of them stand. The I read all kinds of critica reviews, favoring Bush and Kerry alike, and based my opinion on those. I even watched "Feirenhype 9/11", a documentary that points out all the errors in Moore's original "Feirenheit 9/11".
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I'd do all that too...if I got paid enough for it and didn't have to do it for extensive periods of time - in danger of being overcome by manic depression and suicidal tendencies.
Then I'd think that no matter what I think it doesn't concern me; not to mention that my enthusiasm for Kerry would be all in vain ( in light of his rival's imminent re-election...) |
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The choice between Bush and Kerry affects us all. It's about the relationship between the United States (the hegemonic power) and the rest of the world - do they want to be respected or just feared? It's about the relationship between the West and Islam - how can we defuse the threat of Islamic fundamentalism? It's about nuclear proliferation in Iran and North Korea - can we stop it? It's about the environment and whether the Americans are going to do anything about global warming and other issues. If you live on this planet, these questions and the differences between the candidates are going to affect your life in the future. You don't realise it, but they will. You think it's terribly cynical and sophisticated (and a good way to wind up Kate) to not care, but it's faux-sophistication. If you understood, you'd care. Saying you don't care shows that you don't understand and you're not as clever as you think you are. |
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No, the real reason is that I understand my opinion don't mean shit - and so does yours - and this is the essence of modern democracy. If we lived in a totalitarian system it might make a difference - that's why they censor everything because they know what's at stake - but under what we call "democracy" the system doesn't give a damn of what you think simply because your pathetic little existence can't make any difference at all. So you can express your pathetic little opinion and the system tolerates you and if you get too agitated the most you can achieve is to be taken for a fool.
Now for the elections in question: those who think that electing either leader will make any difference at all are simply deluded. Not to mention that non-US citizens who have not even the right to excercise the pathetic and insignificant little action we call voting, should not even attempt to get into a serious discussion of the matter simply because it doesn't concern them. For the rest go cast your vote every five or odd years but don't pretend to make any difference. If the system felt threatened by your actions you'd be obliterated, believe me. I'm under the impression that you know I'm right but don't want to admit it. As for Islamic fundamentalism, nuclear ploriferation and all that jazz, they have little or no relevance with the election procedure. Unless you think that the leader's "social contract" with its people is something more than linguistic imagery. Then you're further deluded. And finally, if you have the slightest clue of what either leader will do for the Iraq issue by watching those debates I'd like to know, please. According to Bush, Kerry does not have a clear plan for Iraq and according to Kerry Bush does not have a clear plan for Iraq. I'd rather ask Texaco or Shell, they might have a clearer plan for Iraq. Global warming? Gimme a break I wouldn't want to be part of that parody even if I could. |
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spyretto, you're being narrow minded, in my opinion.
You have to looks at the bigger picture. If Bush was not elected during the 2000 election, Iraqi war would not have happened, and all subsequent deaths and terrorist attacks would not have happened at today's frequency either. Kerry said he will train the Iraqi military and get the US out of Iraq, and I think that's what should happen. The only reason people are still dieing out there is because of the U.S. presence. So what if those people will go back to following a dictator? It's their culture, it's the way they are used to live their lives, it's the way their religion functions best - leave them alone. And what concerns me personally is the scientific development of the United States. Bush has been quietly safficating the scientific world there. Kerry's campagne promises increased funding in the Stem cell research etc, and that's in my personal interest, too, as I view U.S. as a potential career place for myself in the future. |
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spyretto, because Bush talked about invading Iraq before he became president. And he obviously benefits from all the oil that he found there - he couldn't wait until Iraq was secure to send people over to get oil. Lol.
The invasion of Afganistan is justified. Bin Laden should be cought cuz he is the head of a huge terrorist group. But invasion of Iraq was totally unjustified. And who knows, 9/11 might not have happened under Gore! He maybe would have paid a little more attention to the threats that Bush chose to ignore. Quote:
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