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It's the Western countries who are bitching the most.
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They pay the bills, they want the raisins. Capitalistic thinking.
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Greece's old motto "we belong to the West" is not gonna cut it for Eurovision, they will be the Easterners.  |
Eastern mediterranean, according to their voting habits.
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It's also gonna be interesting to get the best of the East v the best of the West in the final.
...to me your reflections tend to showcase that the West/East thing is not such a bad idea.
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The EBU wanted to overcome all this East vs. West, but with every new rule they make the gap bigger. From that view point an honest East-West competition would make rules simpler and it wouldn't look so hypocritical. And finally we would have equality for the finals.
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...as for the big 5, yeah it's preposterous but what do you think of the idea of adding Russia to the biggies and getting the winner of the previous year reinstated back into the final?
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The second best solution after completely abandon the participation without qualification. For a while I considered another modus: Drawing lots for the composition of each semifinal, and a negative list for each country (5-6 countries which are not votable, decided by the voting characteristics of the last 3-5 years). This would reduce the influence of neighbour voting or guest workers' voting close to zero. If the west or the east have more qualified in the finals is decided by the performers, not by geography, politics or cultural affinities. Sounds complicated though..
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As for the jury: what is the point of "correcting" what the public thinks?
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People in charge want control. Complete democracy kills the power of the establishment. The people are already fit for democracy, the leaders not. So simple.
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Juries follow the rehearsals and already have cast their vote before the final night, isn't that a bit rigged? |
That's a technical issue. It would prolong the waiting time until the results are gathered and evaluated, if they judge the actual performance of the competition. The odd thing is of course, they don't decide about a competition, but a rehearsal, which is pure nonsense.
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But if you think the juries is a good idea how about reinstating them completely rather than have it half and half?
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Completely against. Juries manipulate and cheat. That's a fact. They should not have a voice in the competition. We saw the consequences: a reduction of diversity, creativity and entertainment.
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Cheesy pop and instruments , is what you meant to say? Why not? or , by the same token, why live voices and fake music? Lets do it by playback, then they can mime while doing acrobatics at the same time. It's a musical extravaganza, Argos and I would like to have seen the Italian guy play his piano, or Rybak play his violin, or Ruslana play her tribal drums for real. What's wrong with having some live music back to it?
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What's wrong? Europe has shown that they don't even have enough good singers for this competition. If you add incompetent musicians, then you will need lots of ear plugs, and by the way - Zdob si zdub would have won in that case. They can really play!
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We did away with the music, we turned it into a karaoke competition.
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The point is: do we want a singing competition, a show performance competition or a music competition? It all depends which direction people want the ESC to go. All we can do is try something, and if it's not accepted, then try something different, until finally (that is: never!!!) everybody is happy with the ESC.