Why does Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, suck?
 

Honestly, it used to be the best show on television. And I'm not saying best as in it was the "flavour of the month" best. It was honest-to-God the best show on television.

Now it sucks ass. They are introducing all these new characters and the old ones are being pushed aside. What's even worse is that the new characters aren't being developed enough, and if they are they suck ass.

Don't get me started on the plot; good idea, horrible execution.

And Buffy herself?
*shudders*
I swear if I have to hear anymore of her "everybody sucks but me" speech (tm Anya), I'm going to throw the remote to the screen.

I'm only watching because I've been watching it for so long and it the last season.

*Laughs.* You crack me up.

Personally, I no longer have any idea whether or not it's a good show anymore. I'm biased because I've been watching so long that it's just habit for me to keep watching.

Joss Whedon is most likely running out of ideas. (Apparently, they'll start off with Faith, when Buffy leaves. Funky.)

~Echo.

Yeah I also heard that.
I'm really anticipating Faith's arrival. She, the Mayor, and Anya are my all time favourites in Buffy.

I hope that when Buffy gives one of her speeches, Faith would interrupt with a "BITCH, PLEASE!!!"

Hehe. Of course, Faith is showing up on Angel first.

So I'm curious about how that's going to turn out.

~Echo.

I heard Angel is better than Buffy.
Of course the idiot that I am, I watch 24, which coincides with Angel.

And 24 sucks, btw.
Dagnabit!

You must have heard wrong.

Angel and Buffy are about on the same level. I'm actually enjoying Buffy more... Then again, there's just been an interesting twist on Angel. I'm VERY curious about where Joss is going with this.

~Echo.

I gave up on Buffy. I had been watching from the very first episode when I was like 11 or 12. LOL.
It just started to become ridiculous.
The last straw was Tara being killed. I mean I see WHY Joss did it. He was working with addiction and needed it to push Willow over the edge. But God...It's just...Enough!
Let the show end while it still has SOME originality.
I miss my Scooby gang, and the Library.
The only character I ever loved that was brought in was Anya. She's just...Awesome.
Season 3 and 4 were the peak seasons really...

Yeah, I also started watching it from the very, very, very beginning. (I had been thoroughly confused as to who "Willow" and "Xander" were. Mainly because I was under the impression that "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" the show would be following the story of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" the movie. Eh.)

I'm still hooked to the show. But again, I'm biased and just watch this show out of sheer habit and slight interest. (I like the potential slayer that was lactose intolerant and unable to communicate. Highly amusing.)

~Echo.

I always thought the best seasons were two and three. Four would've been up there if it hadn't been for Riley, he was just too boring. But I do remember the season finale for four, it was probably one of the best shows on Buffy.

Echo, really Angel is that bad?
Even worse than Buffy?

Keep in mind, the last time I saw Angel was the Billy episode, I I'm not aware of the possible sucktitude of Angel.

Edited: Sorry Rosh!

Edit: *Void.*

~Echo.

Well I'll be...
:eek:

Edit: *Stupidity's void.*

~Echo.

oh great now i wish i hadnt read this ... you guys should have labelled it "SPOILERS!" :)

the angel series in the uk on sky one isnt as far along as north america is. *SOB* now i know whats coming :(

*cwy*

Oh, crud. (I'm sooooo sorry.)

:dead: I hate spoilers too. I'm really, really, really sorry.

~Echo.

agh ill live :) hopefully lilah dying wont be the highlight of the season :) i kinda liked her tho - her and darla *swoon*

Argh. Poke me in the eye. I just missed Buffy. Totally forgot it was on today.

Oh well. I can probably find the episode on the net sooner or later. (If it was new.)

~Echo.

Angel sucks and David Boreanaz too...but Connor is cool:)

Hmm, I find Buffy somewhat annoying these days... There's been some cracking episodes as of late, though. For example, the musical one, which I thought was quite inventive... But these days most of the time is spent on embarrassing home truths rubbish with Buffy and Dawn, who I despise more than war and famine... Grow up, dammit!

heh ... i remember when buffy first came out i was going to a resteraunt in los angeles where i'm from, and i was attempting to park in a parking lot and the guard was like, "are you here for buffy?" apparently they were taping at this school. ... anyway, my friends brother and his then gf were one of the main couple extras that would always be featured ... they said it was pretty cool ... also, i used to work with Nicholas Brenden's brother in Valencia (where the family is from) ... he was a nice guy.

I used to watch Buffy too.. nah just kidding, just wanna fit in :P My friend ADORES Buffy so we watched some episodes together.. I find the killing-vampires-and-doing-nothing-more-well-maybe-fit-in-a-love-story-here-and-there-because-its-getting-boring-thing dull. :( I'd rather watch one of those 70's comedies who do lousy jokes and everyone laugh. Hah. :D No offense, my pholks! :) I used to think Buffy was good once too. But now.. err.. I dont even know what's going on in these episodes.. who are all these people?! WHO ARE THEY?!

Hey, I found an interesting article!
 

Buffy to Show First Lesbian Sex Scene on Network TV
Sarah Warn, April 2003



**Warning: lots of spoilers, but only for episode 20**

Next week, in the third-to-last episode of the series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer will become the first network TV series to show a lesbian sex scene.

Over its seven-year run, Buffy has pushed the envelope in terms of of lesbian representation on television in many ways, but not on the physical-affection front. Although lesbian witch Willow (played by Alyson Hannigan) and her first girlfriend Tara (played by Amber Benson) were together for two and a half years, the sexual aspects of their relationship were subtextual rather than textual, especially in the beginning.

In a May 2000 post on The Bronze, Buffy creator Joss Whedon responded to criticism over this issue, writing "Are we forced to cut things between Willow and Tara? Well, there are things the network will not allow us to show. As for example kissing." In an interview in this month's Girlfriends Magazine, Amber Benson provides her perspective on the issue: "Alyson and I thought at times that we needed to be doing more kissing. Part of that was the WB wanting to take it slowly, but when we got to UPN they let us do whatever, and things began to change."

Things didn't change very much, though, and for most of their relationship, physical displays of affection between Willow and Tara were either muted or metaphorical, with magic frequently substituting for sex (most famously in the musical episode "Once More With Feeling").

It wasn't until the episode of Tara's death in the sixth season that the two women were shown in bed together in a sexual situation the way the heterosexual couples on the show have routinely been shown (including Willow and her first boyfriend). But even this scene with Willow and Tara only showed the women post-sex, and was overshadowed by Tara's subsequent murder at the end of the episode (which also inadvertently reinforced the "lesbian sex = death" cliche).

Several months later, in the middle of the seventh season, Buffy introduced Kennedy (played by Iyari Limon), a potential slayer who aggressively pursued Willow from day one. While their relationship has been a little more physically affectionate than Willow and Tara's (showing them making out on the couch in "Storyteller," for example), Willow and Kennedy's first kiss (in "The Killer in Me") was portrayed with the same coyness of previous seasons, in a bait-and-switch scene where Willow turned into a guy as soon as they kissed.

But on May 6th ("Touched"), Kennedy finally seduces Willow, in an episode in which almost everyone gets laid (including Wood and Faith, and Xander and Anya). The Willow-Kennedy scene goes something like this:

Willow enters her bedroom looking at a map. She starts to address the SITs she believes are in the room, "Okay guys, Giles said that Faith said that we should..." She looks up to see that the only one in the room is Kennedy, wearing a nightgown and laying seductively under the sheets in the candle lit room. Willow asks what happened to the girls. Kennedy looks at Willow from under her eyelashes. "They're not here, are they?" "Nope."

Willow closes the door. Willow goes to the bed and sits on the edge, then kisses Kennedy lightly on the lips. Kennedy kisses Willow back, taking the map from her and dropping it on the floor. "C'mere." Willow, smiling, slides in under the sheets next to Kennedy.

They snuggle and kiss...but then Willow turns away. "Something not right?" asks Kennedy. Willow says she's scared...scared of herself. That if they sleep together, she could lose control of herself...lose herself, literally. Kennedy assures her that she's safe with her. "I'll keep you safe. You can float around and I'll tether you down." "You'll be, like, my kite string?" They start to kiss again, more passionately this time. Willow closes her eyes, and abandons herself to Kennedy.

[Later, as part of a montage of two other couples having sex] Kennedy licks Willows neck with her pierced tongue, then something happens under the sheets...it makes Willow's eyes grow wide.

Assuming nothing gets left on the editing-room floor at the last minute, this scene will mark a big step forward for lesbian visibility on television, since although Queer as Folk's lesbian couple engaged in the first lesbian sex scene on premium/cable television a few years ago, there has never been such a scene on a network television show.

Like Willow and Tara's post-sex scene, ER's current lesbian couple was shown in bed together post-sex in 2000 (but unlike Willow and Tara's post-sex scene, Weaver and Lopez were clothed), and in an episode of Ellen in 1997, Ellen and her girlfriend discussed sex and actually walked into the bedroom together (both firsts at the time). But no series has yet shown two women having sex together in bed (or anywhere else).

This milestone is important because equal representation of physical affection and sexual interaction between women on television is critical to desensitizing lesbian sex and portraying lesbian relationships as healthy and multi-faceted. The upcoming Buffy episode does both by treating the Willow-Kennedy sex scene matter-of-factly and including it alongside the scenes of Buffy's heterosexual couples having sex.

It is perhaps not coincidental that Buffy is showing this potentially controversial scene on its way out, when Whedon and company have little left to lose, but this does mean a larger audience will be exposed to it, since there are so few episodes left that hardcore and casual Buffy fans are tuning in in droves. It is too bad that we couldn't have seen this aspect of Willow and Tara's relationship on-screen, however, since theirs was a far more significant relationship to Willow and her character development than her current relationship with Kennedy, which is still in the early stages.

With this episode, however, Buffy once again proves itself to be at the forefront of improving lesbian visibility on television, even if it is just one more in a string of network television taboos that Buffy will have knocked down by series' end.

http://www.afterellen.com/TV/buffy-sex.html
From After Ellen

Holy sh*t, I was about to see it today with my Mom. Bgirlnikki I could never thank you enough for telling me this. I can only imagine the awkwardness I would have gone through had I not of known.
Whew!

Anyhoo...
Alright!!! I knew Principle Wood and Faith would hit it off. They are the coolest couple EVER!!!
Goddamn do I love Faith, I knew the show would pick up when she showed up.

I used to watch Buffy too... a while back... can't remember when actually lol... long after being through with my Xena obsession anyway LOL!... my fave was Willow... but then after seeing Cruel Intentions, i gave a second chance to Sarah Michele Gellar lol... then sometime i quit watching it cos it kept getting more and more superficial... though you would think it was getting deeper with all those new characters and twisted stories... didn't do it for me though, like Powerpuff said.

Who cares about the show? The movie's where its at! Total cheeeeese!

haha, Luke Perry...