should we allow expression of extremism on this forumboard
 

im starting this thread to find out what the majority of our members and visitors think of expression of extremism and al that comes with it , like symbols and promoting of such organisations after all, all i expect to find here are people with respect for each other no matter who you are or where you come from and who love music like tatu's

What do you mean? I guess that's ok....

i want to find out how to deal with people who for example would like to use the swastika as an avatar for ive encountered some one here who want one,
when he was told that it was not realy appropriate for this forum and also why it was not he declared that it was his way of living, so in a way promoting it.

Ok.... So the swastika thing... I don't support it... There are plenty of other avatars and we don't need to start a controversy over some stupid thing....

well, what way was the swastika facing? i know that the reversed of the "Nazi" swastika is the Hindi symbol for hope and there is nothing wrong that...

things which are known to be offensive [racism, homophobia etc] and things which are said and meant to be offensive [personal verbal attacks, snide comments etc] - i believe these should be curtailed. after all we are here to talk about all things tatu and to engage in friendly conversation. if people on the forum disagree with each other, theres still no reason to be rude or disrespectful. after all, there is always a civil way of stating your disagreement with someones opinion without resorting to rudeness.



if you dont have something good to say, then its better not to say anything.

Hmmm...... OK.. for some things .... but someone is going to say something offensive to someone else, and we can't ignore it...

unfortunately not. all we can do is ask people to respect each other, or at the very least, not to get rude or personal. after that its up to the moderators to either bar them from the forum or something like that

Yes... I agree with you there!

Lol! rosh, look at our avatars... They are similar and look like they are staring at each other..
I just noticed it... its not that funny but i'm kinda tired lol...

haha :) i am overtired too, its amazing the things i find funny when i am overtired. my friends tell me i am more entertaining than the jerry springer show in this state :P

heres staring at you, kid ;)

hehe.... you are entertaining... lol... hey the footbal games on... go Bucs!!!

Yo, I think you can write whatever ya want, but you can't say dat...here was written an example.

Jan : OK, that is exactly WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T SAY. Let's try not to be offensive and respect other people.

Well somebody had to give an example, but fine, lets try not to respect other people

By the way- I personaly am very open minded person and respect every opinion as long as it doesn't hurt other people.

If someone wants to defend nazism or whatever I can discuss it with you, but if all they are trying to do is to promote hatred and attack innocent people- then we have nothing to talk about.

Problem is not with swastika- problem is with what it represents.

That's not even the problem... it's not what it represents, it's what it's reputation behind it is...

But I agree with you in the fact that we can discuss things with open-minds, if they are appropriate...

OK, mir, now why did you have to start this thread? What is your problem, why do you constantly badger me about the fact that I'm into Nazism? Get with it, or get lost.

PS: next time you want to get pissy behind my back, try to be a little more subtle...?

to make you feel like what other people feel when youre rude or disrespectfull.

btw i think youre more lost than i am
anyway if youre realy into nazism then im afraid that your perspective of the world is a bit tangled up but dont be affraid when there would be people here supporting other such organisations i would have posted the same thread, after all, all i ask the people, is to think about it and keep im mind to what such things might lead, for i know.........

mir, I understand your purpose of asking, but thinking that "we" should allow or disallow something... Is it some sort of a virtual democracy? The admin and mods are the ones to allow or not. And I know they don't allow mentioning some (in my opinion) harmless things, which does not go along with my view of free information exchange on a forum. So sorry, you can vote, and they might listen to you, but it will be ultimately they not you who decides :)

Listen, I don't care what you have against Nazism, OK? Wahtever your experience with Nazism or other extremist like that, we really don't care. Take your issues somewhere else, or end up at the coroner with a bullet in your eye. You have been warned...

forre: Oh-ho-ho .. aren't we a little offensive here?

You weren't serious..... were you??

I always take my work seriously - I have mentioned my job previously.

Uhh... I believe you.. but what's your job?

No it is not a virtual democracy for "we" do not decidewhat is possible that is indeed reserved to the Administrators and moderators.

i Know that the title suggests that we have a choice but after all, we have....
we can either go allong with people
we can ignore them
we can confront them with our oppinion
we can even support them

after all, all i told silenced sonic was not to offend people with such things as Swastikas well you can see his response...
Im now quite convinced he didn't mean the hindi symbol

what more can i say?

I believe I introduced myself over in the thread about welcoming new members to the forum... page two, I believe. It has the basics... real basics...

Ah, mir... I'm sorry, were you expecting anything better? Do me a favour and take a flying f**k off a cliff - I really haven't the time to come over and remove that one eye.

forre: Oy-la-la .. a warning for extremely insulting post. It's rude too.

lol.... ok.... so what is this thread really about?

Our beloved mir is worried about a Nazi resurgence...

Why??? ...lol...

He must be misinformed... typical...

Hmm... this forum isn't ASCII-art friendly...

opinion
 

What is offensive? If somebody would say Putin is great man would that be offensive? Say that to a Chechen and he'll most likely beat you. Say that to somebody else and they might agree.

I think people on this forum are mature enough not to let their political views get better of them and this forum woun't turn into mud slinging contest. If you see a topic that offends you (e.g. something with title "I would like to do 3some with L&Y") just ignore it. It's most likely troll operation and if you don't feed the trolls they die off.

But OTOH I think it's good to set some rules, otherwise forums go down the drain, like official is going faster and faster.

Tell that to mir - why did he have to take offense to my swastika-containing avatar, even though I still have my old one up? Oh... could it possibly be because he's Jewish?!

luxxi, IMHO, the off foum is not worse than this, it's all relative as you said, isn't it? And it has rules too, btw, but nobody cares. actually there's less extremism than here for that matter, maybe because people there take themselves less seriously than people here do.

Ahem to that... c'mon mir, where are you now?

You serious? Just look at topics people post (not constant are they/aren't) they but like: "abortion", ROCKETS", "gay o metre". What do these things have to do with t.A.T.u.? Not to mention that when somebody posts a nice pic/link you get 10 replies with "nice pic"/"really nice pic"/"yeah, that pic is nice". Not to mention constant trollers.

Now consider a journalist writing article about the group. They check official site and look at forum. Than they write what bad influence giirls have on youth and how they shouldn't be aired.


Tell that to mir - why did he have to take offense to my swastika-containing avatar, even though I still have my old one up? Oh... could it possibly be because he's Jewish?!


To be honest I would object to avatar with swastika and I'm not Jewish. How would Americans feel about avatar that makes fun of 11.9.?

im here sonic whats of your service?
btw im not jewish infact im closer to you as you might think
I dont believe at all.......

and uuhhh there are no cliffs here to hang out from.

luxxi, yep, serious. it's all relative. That "forum" is a semi-chat. It serves it's purppose to some people, it does not for the others. I preffer it to this one even if you count me for a troll or whatever you call it. :)
I don't care about tatu whatsoever. Also whatever a journalist or anybody else would think looking at a forum - is his/her problem. btw, d'you think it makes any sence to attribute posts on a forum to the influence of a group? this thread is about extremism here, so, is this forum good for taty's immage? oh, c'mon.

Silenced Sonix, define "jewish", pls. phenotype? religion? genes? it's soooo murky and thus inefficient ;)

Jewish, as in scared shitless by Nazis. Jewish, as in persecuted and killed off in large numbers during WW2.

mir, so where you from? If you say Transvaal, I'll crack up right here - those people are assholes.

forre: Expressed extremism agains a group of people.

how about the netherlands zuidholland leiden?
need to know more?

That's not close to me - check the world map: I'm on the tip of Africa, you're in Holland... not that close, trust me

Hey, didn't the Netherlands get a rather heavy dose of Nazi-loving back in WW2? I assume that explains your hatred of their noble, yet still misunderstood cause...

strange perception of nobility you have,
do you actualy know what their cause was back then besides eradicating the jewish community ?

Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer, Ein Reich

Doesn't that quite summarize their cause? They wanted two things:

#1): racial superiority, creating a pure Aryan gene pool, not soiled by foreign, weaker blood
#2): lebensraum - living room, space for this Aryan race to expand to and settle down to pursue their quest for all things perfect and pure.

I think that summarizes it, no?