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fanoff 06-12-2008 16:16

Eurovision 2009 (Russia)
 
The contest will take part in Moscow-thanks to Dima Bilan-,any Russsian fans planning to go?.A few artist has been chosen so far.

Greece-Sakis Rouvas
Netherlands-De Toppers
Turkey-Hadise

Write what's gong on in your country here.

COMMAFANATKA93 06-12-2008 16:55

Will there be any Russian artists chosen?

AshMcAuliffe 07-12-2008 14:07

Just so that you guys know the Eurovision song 'contest' has claimed one of it's biggest victims. Britain's commentator (and a legend) Sir Terry Wogan has quit doing the commentary thanks to the contest no longer being a fair contest. Any of you who live in a country that block votes for your neighbours should be appalled that it is allowed to happen. It's about time that they got a judging panel back involved in this. It's a contest that's meant to be about songs and music NOT about politics.

Argos 07-12-2008 14:55

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Originally Posted by AshMcAuliffe (Post 376366)
Just so that you guys know the Eurovision song 'contest' has claimed one of it's biggest victims. Britain's commentator (and a legend) Sir Terry Wogan has quit doing the commentary thanks to the contest no longer being a fair contest. Any of you who live in a country that block votes for your neighbours should be appalled that it is allowed to happen. It's about time that they got a judging panel back involved in this. It's a contest that's meant to be about songs and music NOT about politics.

What a hilarious self-pity! UK was last because they fully deserved it, the western countries were those, who voted most 'politically' from all regions. In the end it's the choice of the people who voted in the various countries, who decided the ranking. But we could change the rules, so that eastern countries can only vote western countries, but western countries can vote even their own country - and I bet, we still will have eastern winners, because what the western countries presented, is simply atrocity!

mulder 07-12-2008 17:43

It had come to the point that Terry could predict, with a fair certainty, who was going to give 12 points to whom, both East and West and I think he realised that the fun had gone out of it, at least for him.

Rumours were he had a crate of Baileys in the commentory box, which he would consume as the night wore on, resulting in ever stranger comments over the course of the programme. Apparently, over the last couple of years, he had allegedly started on the Baileys before he even went on air.

It is a shame, as his comments made the contest vaguely watchable and Graham Norton is no substitute and is likely to replace wit with vulgarity.

AshMcAuliffe 07-12-2008 18:10

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Originally Posted by Argos (Post 376368)
What a hilarious self-pity! UK was last because they fully deserved it, the western countries were those, who voted most 'politically' from all regions. In the end it's the choice of the people who voted in the various countries, who decided the ranking. But we could change the rules, so that eastern countries can only vote western countries, but western countries can vote even their own country - and I bet, we still will have eastern winners, because what the western countries presented, is simply atrocity!

Whatever... Self-pity?? The UK has had some pretty shite entries and i agree with that. Russia winning this year was ALL political because of their 'new' carbon-copy Putin-alike president. Let's Russia so they'll be nice to us. Like that every year. At least the Western countries have a fairer attitude to what music is and have a musical spirit not a political spirit. The western countries voting politically? DON't MAKE ME LAUGH!

Argos 07-12-2008 19:12

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Originally Posted by AshMcAuliffe (Post 376389)
Whatever... Self-pity?? The UK has had some pretty shite entries and i agree with that. Russia winning this year was ALL political because of their 'new' carbon-copy Putin-alike president. Let's Russia so they'll be nice to us. Like that every year. At least the Western countries have a fairer attitude to what music is and have a musical spirit not a political spirit. The western countries voting politically? DON't MAKE ME LAUGH!

Check the vote statistics, then talk about the results! These British rants against all the others, when they lose, are simply pathetic!!!

dradeel 07-12-2008 20:06

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Originally Posted by AshMcAuliffe (Post 376366)
Sir Terry Wogan has quit doing the commentary thanks to the contest no longer being a fair contest. Any of you who live in a country that block votes for your neighbours should be appalled that it is allowed to happen. It's about time that they got a judging panel back involved in this. It's a contest that's meant to be about songs and music NOT about politics.

It's showbiz and entertainment, that's what it is.

There have always been countries that vote for neighbouring countries and such, and western countries have been the worst, but more than (or being in addition to) it being political I believe it's also cultural and psychological. Take my country and my neighbouring countries: Scandinavian countries have been the biggest neighbour-voters throughout history. Denmark, Sweden, Norway and partly Iceland and Finland have always given eachother alotta points, even though no other countries would (who do you think would give Norway points when we stood last with 0 points? Yes, Sweden would give us 1 point, even though we would never deserve it!).

The reason would be that people have similar taste in music in similar countries culturally + we tend to look to ourselves first, instead of out on others, when looking for a good song to vote on. It's the same with the south european countries, and now with the east european countries. It's perfectly natural ... and it's perfectly okay. It wouldn't bug me even if all the votings were rigged and there was a secret pannel of people running Eurovision that decided who were gonna win every year based on popularity strategy. It's totally okay, cause it's strictly entertainment and showbiz. Fair competition? I don't think that ever existed in Eurovision. ;)

fanoff 07-12-2008 20:47

Eurovision has always been political,not for 5 years since the beginning.What,how come Greek people like Cypriot song best every year(same for the opposite)?Don't they sometimes send bad songs?Or do you think countries like France,Belgium and the Netherlands always give high points to Turkey and Armenia,if the immigrants don't vote for them?Being unpolitical is just an excuse,not a true reason.After all,the voting system is changing this year in the final.50% televote and 50% back-up jury will affect the results.

Don't ask for logic when it comes to Eurovision.

AshMcAuliffe 07-12-2008 21:43

I'm not asking for logic... i'm asking for a fun yet fair competition.

Argos 07-12-2008 22:19

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Originally Posted by dradeel (Post 376401)
Take my country and my neighbouring countries: Scandinavian countries have been the biggest neighbour-voters throughout history...

Called smartness! I help you and you help me. Political? Yes, political intelligence.
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Originally Posted by dradeel (Post 376401)
The reason would be that people have similar taste in music in similar countries culturally

The main factor, but not always. Romania, though culturally connected with their neighbours, suffers regularly from 'enemy' votings, their neighbours only rarely give them points.
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Originally Posted by dradeel (Post 376401)
...and now with the east european countries.

There are about 10 to 12 countries, which were former parts of the Soviet Union, with big Russian minorities, who have the possibility to vote for their own country. That was known before countries like Georgia, Armenia, Azerbeidjan, which are not part of Europe, have been accepted in the club. To whine now that the Russians won because of this, that's simply stupid. By the way, if you subtract all the neighbour/region/culture votings, Russia would have won too, and not even narrowly. It proves again and again: if the victory is clear, then neighbour voting didn't play a big role.
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Originally Posted by fanoff
Or do you think countries like France,Belgium and the Netherlands always give high points to Turkey and Armenia,if the immigrants don't vote for them?

Another important point. Immigrants and guest workers, who have naturally a strong bond to their home country, vote eagerly for their home country, while in the western countries there is big lack of interest because of bad quality songs and competitors and the 'guest voters' therefore are in majority. Competitive acts and proper promotion would considerably reduce the current bias.
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Originally Posted by fanoff
...in the final.50% televote and 50% back-up jury will affect the results.

This will finally bring policy into the contest.

fanoff 07-12-2008 22:22

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Originally Posted by AshMcAuliffe (Post 376415)
i'm asking for a fun yet fair competition.

It's already fun like this,but it'll be more fun when countries (like the UK)send better songs.And it's quite fair,the winners for last couple of years all deserved victory(yeah,Russia deserved it this year),were you expecting the UK to win with songs like the child rap "Teenage Life" or one of the worst clichés "Flying The Flag"?

AshMcAuliffe 07-12-2008 22:28

Like i have previously said the UK entries have been pitiful... and i am not even going to try defending this country's choice of song.

fanoff 07-12-2008 22:38

By the way it was officially announced by BBC that this year's song will be composed by Andrew Lloyd Webber,who is responsible for Madonna's big hit Don't cry for Me Argentina.

Argos 07-12-2008 22:49

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Originally Posted by fanoff (Post 376426)
By the way it was officially announced by BBC that this year's song will be composed by Andrew Lloyd Webber

A musical composer? Well, at least someone who knows to write music. Now we want somebody who can present him/herself (and the country of course :) )

AshMcAuliffe 07-12-2008 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanoff (Post 376426)
By the way it was officially announced by BBC that this year's song will be composed by Andrew Lloyd Webber,who is responsible for Madonna's big hit Don't cry for Me Argentina.

We still won't have a chance... lol

Endri 22-12-2008 10:19

Albania has officially chosen the represantative in ESC 2009, yesterday.
It's the 16-year-old Kejsi Tola with her song "Me Merr ne Enderr" (Take me in Your Dreams)
Here you can find a low-quality mp3 of the live version of her song-

fanoff 01-01-2009 01:14

In the very first 3 minutes of the new year,the entry for Turkey was on air.The title wasn't announced weirdly but I think its name is Crazy For You or Dum Tek Tek or together :D .It's pure ethnic,and sounds like a very first demo!I expected something more modern from Hadise(the singer),but no wonder her show and sexy movements will get quiet a lotof votes from the jury and televoters:P

Here's the song: http://www.dosya.tc/Hadise-D_mTekTek.mp3.html

fanoff 12-01-2009 11:19

Our song has already been a smash hit in here!Everybody is going düm tek tek!Did you hear the song?I wanna have your opinions on it.

Argos 12-01-2009 12:31

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Originally Posted by fanoff (Post 379523)
Did you hear the song?I wanna have your opinions on it.

It sounds good, but there isn't much variation. For chart success it's definitely well done, simple and repetitive with memorable vocals and instrumentation. After some listens it gets stuck in your head. But Eurovision is different. People hear it once or twice and then have to decide. Will need an interesting performance to succeed, I guess, but let's see if the competitors can produce something better.

fanoff 13-01-2009 20:00

Thanks guys,I needed them.

mulder 31-01-2009 22:31

The UK has chosen it's song - Jade Ewen singing "My Time". Lyrics by Diane Warren and music by Andrew Llloyd Webber.

Watch it here.

Argos 31-01-2009 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by mulder (Post 380234)
The UK has chosen it's song - Jade Ewen singing "My Time". Lyrics by Diane Warren and music by Andrew Llloyd Webber.

Watch it here.

Hmmm, did they think about the voters? Most of the voters of the 80's are in the grave now. Well, to die beautifully is still dying...:rolleyes:

mulder 01-02-2009 00:35

Apparently this is our attempt at sending a serious contender, as opposed to the joke songs we've sent for the last few years. Hard to tell isn't it? :bum:

If this is the best Diane Warren can come up with, it's probably time for her to retire and live off the royalties of her previous songs.

Still, it's nice for everyone else to know that last place has been sorted out so far in advance ;)

fanoff 01-02-2009 12:26

I like it.

teeny 01-02-2009 14:30

The danish entry this year
Brinck - Believe Again

Winkie 01-02-2009 16:06

Haha we are sending de toppers? Oh my god. We're so gonna lose cuz they suck. Hell, 95% of holland hates 'em because they think they're so great while they're just stupid, attentioncraving, and tiring.
Good luck to everyone who's gonna watch. You'll need it.

fanoff 01-02-2009 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by teeny (Post 380264)
The danish entry this year
Brinck - Believe Again

Me likes it.Sounds like Backstreet Boys' Just Want You To Know.

Talyubittu 01-02-2009 20:27

I like the U.K. song, but not Jade Ewen. Her voice struggles a lot in the song. She sounds like some average pop singer trying to be Whitney Houston. She goes off pitch a lot, and sounds like she's struggling to breathe and be able to hit high notes.

Argos 01-02-2009 20:37

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Originally Posted by Talyubittu (Post 380275)
She sounds like some average pop singer trying to be Whitney Houston. She goes off pitch a lot...

She doesn't use autotune like Whitney. :D

AshMcAuliffe 01-02-2009 20:45

I'm not impressed by Jade... and neither am i by the song.
If the UK does well it will only be because it has Andrew Lloyd Webber's and Diane Warren's names on it... not because it's a good song.
I look forward to the pointing and laughing at the UK yet again come May

fanoff 02-02-2009 00:48

France has well-known Patricia Kaas representing them and her beautiful song is unconfirmedly announced.2009 goes great.UK,Denmark and now this!Just unbelievable!

S'il fallait le faire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I176aL2dTUw

mulder 02-02-2009 00:50

Jade is a karaoke singer doing a show tune. If she has a lot of vocal coaching between now and May, she may be competent enough to provide an adequate performance for the UK.

In ye olden days (the early 60's) we could get a well known singer to represent us (Cliff Richard, Sandie Shaw or Lulu), but these days no known singer or band in their right mind would represent the UK in the same way as Tatu, Ruslana or Lordi. It would be the kiss of death to their careers.

So we end up with complete unknowns picked by phone vote who will return to their obscure jobs as bin man or shelf stacker by the end of the year, unless they get reallly lucky and end up singing on a cruise ship.

thegurgi 02-02-2009 06:36

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Originally Posted by mulder (Post 380281)
In ye olden days (the early 60's) we could get a well known singer to represent us (Cliff Richard, Sandie Shaw or Lulu), but these days no known singer or band in their right mind would represent the UK in the same way as Tatu, Ruslana or Lordi.

to me this is a sad motion, i listen to a lot of british music and i frankly prefer uk music to us music. and it's shame that the uk can't manage to send even more of their less well known (but good) acts to represent them in eurovision cause there's so much, in my opinion, potential, musically, in the uk.

GooZe 02-02-2009 22:15

Finland's entry:

Waldo's People - Lose Control
The music video for Lose Control

xmad 02-02-2009 22:48

Turkey has a great song: I like it alot. "Good luck Turkey"

fanoff 02-02-2009 22:58

Offtop:
xmad,long time no see?how are you doing?

xmad 02-02-2009 23:17

Offtop:
fanoff,yeah it's been a long time that I didn visit this site. its nice to see that u still remember me.

GooZe 05-02-2009 14:46

Very good entries this year!

Turkey has a good one!

And... I'm also glad that our entry doesn't sing in Finnish!
I think most foreigners don't like what Finnish sounds like... :gigi:

dradeel 25-02-2009 10:06

This weekend were the norwegian eurovision finals, and our winner and contribution for the european finals in Moscow is:
Alexander Rybak - Fairytale

There's been a frenzy in the newspapers and magazines about how amazing this fellow is, and of course everyone are speculating about how he's likely to win. It's always like that everytime someone with a pretty face wins over here... Everyone gets such unecessary high hopes *sigh* Hehehe. But I'll admit, the song is dangerously catchy. I didn't hear any of the alternatives this year, so I couldn't say if this was in my opinion the best one, but it's not a bad one anyways. I'm looking forward to how it'll do :)


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