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Please, guys, don't let this forum degenerate into a battle field.
Show some maturity. Tatu decided to come up with the truth and the truth hurts. Give them some credit for doing it knowingly of the consequences. You behave as if you would prefer to live in illusion and it's pathetic. And as other people have said here, how can you say that you didn't see it coming?. It's not a pretty sight to see how the forum has degenerated during the last few days. As for their decision, you have every right to criticize them but bear in mind that It's not your career, but their careers on the line, and it's not your life but theirs.. Try, if you may to get in their shoes and imagine under what pressure these girls must have been to keep the dream alive, the cash flowing for the record company and management, under what intimidation, and under what stress. Give them a break and respect the fact that they've decided to come out like that. Yes, the myth of Tatu may have been shattered for some of you but it's their decision and you have to accept it & live with it. Decide whether you want to follow the band in the new page they turned for themselves, or leave with dignity. Turning from avid followers into overt haters will frustrate everybody. darje I can't say I'm surprised by your maturity but I'd rather see this forum turning back to normality and not a schism among ourselves. |
spyretto Just on a short note: You're blaming the wrong one - darje didn't suggest an anti-tatu-forum or whatever the name was supposed to be and put up a poll for such.
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I'm not blaming anybody Rob, I'm just suggesting it's not a good idea. Are you referring to Fidget etc.etc.
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spyretto, there is no anti-forum no more. I cancelled the idea.
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Well, good then. Stop putting oil in the fire, please
I know it's amusing but it's making things worse. And as you see, the vast majority of the fans have accepted Tatu as they are. Take a vacation, go to spa baths ;) well, do something other than trying to raise havoc here, pretty please. It sucks. Or if you can't do otherwise, well at least do it constructively...say something... |
spyretto, shut up. :gigi:
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hehehe, common katbeidar. You don't even do it well. I could suggest some fresh ideas to you but I won't :gigi:
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spyretto, :spy:
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I mean, I'm still a fan of course. It all started cause of the music for me and it will continue like that - everything else was just a splendid add on. But I must say I do sympathise with those who are now so terribly disapointed. I know where you're commming from, and I hope you'll manage to find all those things in the girls that ARE real... they represent so much more then their "lesbian image". They are a philsophy an inspiration to so many people, even a part of destiny for some, but most of all they are a POP BAND, who gave us many great tunes that made our days just a little brighter. Lets try and remember all the good stuff and remain fans of this brilliant band, while leaving their personal life where it belongs - in private. :)
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spyretto, months and months of knowing me and you still aren't surprised by my very versatile mood swings? :coctail: My hat off ter j00, man.
Rachel, I must say I'm dissapointed at you. "Real Lesbian?" Excuse me, but I have been out of the closet for years before you ever thought of the posibility, and believe me, to be a real lesbian is not to be depressed about a superficial matter like this. Comparing if you're more or less of a lesbian because of this or that... that's just plain tasteless. Stop moaning. |
darje, oh, i love you more and more.
To be upset by this really shows your character. To be so involved with the act than the art. Makes you wonder if they click "the whole package" on my poll before. |
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darje, I understand what you're saying, but I find it difficult to be 'disappointed' in anyone here ... We all had different ideas about tatu, come from different backgrounds, different ways of thinking about the world. Please don't be so quick to judge, eh darje? :rose: We are all different people and this documentary hasn't affected us all the same; that doesn't mean one person is doing 'right' and the others are just 'being tasteless' :bum:
Saying someone shouldn't be feeling pain doesn't make it go away, and remember that even though the cause of suffering might seem silly or 'unreal' the pain is always, always real. :grustno: I had a friend who was a very idealistic, literary sort of person who always thought of Paris as a wonderful romantic city; when she first went there on vacation she ended up spending the first night arguing with her husband because she was so disappointed that it didn't live up to the expectations she'd let get so high without even realizing it. There are similar stories and themes in authors like Proust as well ... I've never felt that way - disappointed in something that I loved or discovered something I didn't like as much about them - but maybe that's just for me personally, and it can break my heart when a friend is devastated over something that for me makes no difference at all (and that I think should make no difference) :dead: There's nothing to be gained by attacking or otherwise 'fighting' each other, I feel. :rose: |
I consider myself a fan, I love the music and their message.
I think I can not deny the fact that they are affecting and inspiring a lot of people around the world, that's great, they are better than many other pop bands (or acts). About feeling disappointed, I'm not. I love them, I found out a long time ago that they are not perfect and thay are being very ambiguos about anything... so wasn't a big shock for me :) |
Hmm...it seems to me that they've done nothing wrong. They delivered a wonderful message, "Be who you are," made great music, and affected a lot of lives. What more could you ask of them? I think they deserve to keep their private lives, well, private.
On a side note, I don't put too much stock into the documentary or anything else they've said 'coz we don't know and I don't think we will know the truth until t.A.T.u. no longer exists. Or perhaps, we will never know the truth. So, until then, can we all just enjoy the music? |
rANdoMtATuFaN, Not that it's a huge secret but I totally agree with what you said.
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I have an enormous crush on a co-worker of mine.
His name is Nicholas, and he's my first experience with actually considering a romantic interest in another male. [Not to say that I take an interest in females - instead, that I never had any kind of attraction for another guy which wasn't strictly sexual.] When he's closeby, adrenaline fuels my emotions and makes me want him ever more - when he's not there, I crave his presence and find myself thinking of him almost constantly. He's the only person I've met who's capable of bringing forth this rush of emotion inside myself which to me feels a little fidgety, a little awkward, but incredibly happy. A factor to be considered : I'm not sure whether or not he's also a homosexual. His actions imply that he might be, but discretion disallows my finding out. He doesn't talk about liking girls, and he's more or less an introvert about most topics. Intuition tells me that he evidently is - logic still entertains the possibility that he might be straight. In about two weeks, I'd quickly become one of his closer friends at work. And, to further add to my attraction for him, I have a sneaking suspicion that he might like me, too. So I find myself pondering each side to a constructed truth. It might be that the feverish affection I have for him is mutual. It might also be that I could be crushing on a straight guy who would be weirded out at the thought of my wanting him. It could be that he's also a homosexual but just not attracted to me, or it could be that he's bisexual and has a crush on loads of people, whether including or excluding me. The point is simple. It doesn't matter, in this context, what the truth is. It matters that I spend an hour each night updating an online journal about how much I love him. It matters that the best thing I've come to know is just to see him smile. It matters that I feel the intense surge of adoration for him whenever I get to hear his laugh, and it matters that I devote so much gratitude to him for being able to evoke what'd been a dormant emotion in me beforehand : romantic interest. Think of how hopelessly broken and pathetic I'd then feel if all of this -- the emotion, the times in his company, the nights and days thinking of him, the dedication to scripting my feelings among acquaintances online, the fact that I'm almost addicted to him -- were rendered as wasted. Imagine the abject self-hatred which would arise if I allowed myself to forget that he'd been the one who let me experience this freedom of being in love with another male for the first time. Consider what it's allowed you to become - not what it should have done for you, not what you wanted it to be, not what it could potentially do to you. What you have is the past and today - appreciate it. |
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If you want my point of view in this, no, I still believe in innocent until proven otherwise. I did a search of recent pics of Yulia and haven't seen ONE needle mark on either arm. Mind you, heroin isn't the kind of drug you have one day and can wait three days for another fix. It's a constant addiction: if you see a heroin junkie's arms, in a month he/she'll have, easily, from ten to twelve needle marks in each arm. Mind you, if Yulia being a heroin junkie was true, she would have overdosed and would be braindead by now. Her arms would be blueish green and covered in blue marks from mistreating her veins, sticking needles into her flesh. Also, heroin is seldom injected anywhere else, as injected in the thigh it doesn't have the same strenght. It's the same with cocaine: we would have noticed. Yulia would have a broken nose from inhaling, she'd seldom eat, she'd continuously faint, she would be totally tired all of the time. As for the abortion. Who the f*ck cares? I have two friends who aborted because they were raped, I have a couple more friends who aborted because they didn't want a baby right now, and I know of a really stupid consanguineal relation of me that participated in an orgy and had to abort because she didn't know who the father was. So what if Yulia's f*cking two different genders? It isn't much different from what we did in the cybersex thread, "Queen of Puddling". It could have happened any way. As for Lena believing what she's doing is a big sin. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Lena's who's always more affectionate physically, in those ways that aren't even meant to be affectionate. You want the truth? I think this whole documentary has some scripted parts. And if it doesn't, who the hell cares. :) |
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