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Old 26-01-2004, 17:31   #1
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Tatu in Podnebesnaya - Episode 3 - 24-01-2004

[Episode 2 was cancelled, so this one is in fact Episode 3.]


Again, many thanks to denial and the lovely Russian girl.


Reality Show Episode 3 - Denial's exclusive

Well... it all began with telling about the previous weekend. Some
moments from the first show were shown and then they said about that
cancellation... they said it was only 50 days before the album should be
finished and that now they are gonna explain why it all happened and where
were the girls at the moment they should be in Podnebesnaya...

Lena in her flat was shown... washing dishes and talking to her granma
and Vitaly Mansky. Yulia was sitting in some car and talking... the
camera was switching from one to another. They all were talking about Ivan
and what a bustard he really is LoL

Both girls were saying he becomes worse and worse with every day. That
he lost the plot... that the album is nowhere to be seen. That they ask
him if it's ready and he sais yes... but refuses to show it... and then
says they have to choose songs again... That he crossed the line...
that he's the only star in the project and doesn't need them. So Yulia was
like: 'let him promote himself if he wants... why us?' That they could
record the album in 2 weeks if had material... And that they see Ivan
is very nervous as he realises he won't have the album in time. Lena
said she doesn't believe they can have better album than the first one.

Yulia says he doesn't care about ppl... he doesn't care about her voice
problems... and all the songs they tried to record required high
screaming from her... while they could be sang lower... that if everything
keeps going this way she'll just refuse to scream... coz TATU will end
one day and she'll still have her life and no voice... that problems came
back and she'll just say Ivan to invite someone else to sing so she'll
be only opening her mouth...

They said they believed in Ivan and now he's so frustrating... they are
thankful and all.... but the don't like what they are now... means
they've lost their popularity everywhere... no new material and he keeps
doing nothing... Yulia said she was always on his side... but now she
sees that ppl who left the project... THEY were the ones who made it so
huge... Galoyan wrote most popular songs... Kiper was also important...
that all good ppl leave Ivan...

Both girls seemed frustrated... and sounded like if they continue like
singers... it won't be TATU. Even Yulia was talking about having a solo
project when said about her voice problems and that she doesn't want to
ruin her future.

So the first part was 'Ivan bashing'.

Then Tokiyo concert was shown... with all going on behind the stage...
with Lena walking on Tokyo streetes and saying she just realised she
has no talant.. so she'll better leave show-business and become a
lawyer... lol.. with the scandal that happened here when Japan promotes didn't
let Ivan see girls and attend concerts so he couldn't ruin everything
again lol And they showed how bad Yulia was... those doctors... that
pale face... and when the concert was about to begin she got the phone
call from Ivan and he said they had to go down and see him... or he'll
forbid the concert... Yulia was like...'Ivan, come here and we'll
discuss... I feel so bad... I can't go down... and we have to do the concert'
but after long talking she sighed ans said ok with a hopeless facial
expression. So they went down... Ivan acted like a spoiled kid... but
first thing he said when saw girls was: 'give Yulia the jacket! now!'
Anyway... Yulia acted like the mature one with the sense of
responsibility... not Ivan...

Than it was the concert... and they even showed Lena's faint... she was
carried on some guy's hands... I don't know if it was a right thing to
show... I mean c'mon! She's a human... why show such things... but it
came out as a very cute moment after all... Yulia... brave and
agressive... bad temper girl... she was sooo sweet with Lena... There were many
ppl around panicing... and she was calm and seemed really knew what to
do... she took some water in her mouth and soon lena opened her eyes
lol she couldn't speak even... so Yulia was taking the black maskara from
her face... very carefully... and then ran and brought some tea with
sugar... saying Lena didn't eat anything again... and she helped her to
drink it... then kissed Lena's arm, pressed her cheak to it ans sighed
looking very sad... that was very 'awww'... and especially if we don't
forget Yulia had fever herself...


Of course I don't remember ALL that was shown... but this time show was
fun... tho I'm not sure what was the role of Ivan in it... may be STS
producers decided to give the all power to Mansky? Or it's just another
of Ivan's stunts? lol

Oh... and they said the project won't be around Podnebesnaya only...
they were show life of main characters as well... Podnebesnaya will just
be the place girls spend some time at... doing the recording and all...


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Old 26-01-2004, 18:01   #2
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Well, this is all very interesting, and many thanks to all of you lovely Russians everywhere for providing the info. Actually, this is starting to correspond to one of my favourite Tatu fantasies; namely, the girls realize that Ivan is a spent force, has taken them as far as he can, has become a drug-addled shadow of his former self/ a megalomaniac/ both...and they take control of the project themselves, realizing that what really made Tatu great in the first place, was their own "personal charm" as Brian Epstein might have put it. And then they set out to reconquer the West, they understand they need a new creative dynamo to guide them...someone untried and unsullied by the wicked ways of showbusiness, but somebody with integrity and imagination, who knows that it should be all about the music really, who understands that in spite of all the shenanigans these two girls love music. But where to find such a person? They happen upon the tatysite forum, see that there's an English fan (almost old enough to be their mother, who cares, who's tried to communicate the way forward for the group over the past year in her previous guise of rachelc) - it's a risk, a hell of a risk, but being bold has always worked for them so they give her a try... and the rest is the stuff of pop legend, as they say.

Of course this whole Ivan-bashing thing could be the latest part of the scam/show, as the lovely Russian posited. Either way, I'm still watching the show...until I get the chance to start running the show (oh, I can dream can't I?).
 
Old 27-01-2004, 01:48   #3
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We so have to get videos of this , thanx guys damn!!! I really want to see this
 
Old 27-01-2004, 02:03   #4
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it seems like staged, right? And then Ivan will come with a miraculous set of songs...and then the truth will be revealed that Tatu are really lesbians.

Staged or not, it just won't happen
 
Old 27-01-2004, 02:14   #5
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I had posted this on the temp forum about this episode. I stand by what i said, except that now i do believe that Lena really fainted. The poor girl fainted before and she will probably faint again.

How could i ever doubt her? I wonder what led me to become so skeptical...


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He he, actually i do think everything was staged

Ivan would have never let this air if he did not agree with it.

Obviously this first part was done to please a significant part of the fans, those who dislike Ivan. The girls appear as victims who want to do great things but can't because Ivan has no clue about what he's doing.

Maybe the girls do have a lot of anger toward Ivan, and had private arguments with him. In that case Ivan decided to use those feelings to create an entertaining twist in the show.

But the whole thing may have been written by Ivan himself and in reality the girls still think he's a genius.

Either way, the girls were "allowed" to bash Ivan. They wouldn't have done it if they had not been asked to. It's staged.


Now the second part. I'm in such a skeptical position now that i'm not even ready to believe that Lena really fainted. If she fainted precisely when Manski's camera was on her, i'll have a lot of doubts.

But let's say she fainted. Yulia's reaction just shows that she's level-headed and remains calm in emergency situations. They've known each other for years and it's only normal to help a friend that collapses in front of you. It doesn't show or prove anything more than that.

But hey, i'm a hopeless romantic so i'm sure i'll fall for it again and will go awwwww... until i remember that Yulia and Lena's boyfriends were spotted in Podnebesnaya by journalists.
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Old 27-01-2004, 14:35   #6
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Reality Show in "Podnebesnaya" Thread - [Part II]
« Thread started on: 01/23/2004 at 22:30:38 »

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Time to start a part two, so move your thought to this thread. The mods will close the other one soon. Here are two new translations to kick us off.

Tatu in Podnebesnaya: There is no danger of Tatu’s project in Podnebesnaya to result in a failure!

Channel STS will continue to broadcast Tatu reality show “In Podnebesnaya” this weekend, which is dedicated to the recording of Tatu’s next album live. The next broadcasts are on 24th and 25th of January at 8:00pm. Rumors about troubles with the project surfaced after the first broadcasts on 17th and 18th of January. In the Saturday broadcast the girls from Tatu appeared on the screen for no more then five minutes – had a fight with the photographer and left, on top of that, according to some sources, this incident was recorded a long time ago when nobody even planned the reality show yet. Most of the program showed Tatu’s producer Ivan Shapovalov, thoughtfully discussing irrelevant topics. On Sunday, 18th of January, "Tatu in Podnebesnaya" wasn’t broadcasted at all, replaced by Vitalyi Mansky’s documentary film about the group “Anatomy of Tatu”. As Tatu’s press-attachй Aleksandr Tityanko informed InterMedia, that happened only due to technical problems: the films prepated for the second broadcasting of the show were of bad quality, and they were decided not to be shown. According to Tityanko, there are some problems in the relationship between Shapovalov and managers of STS, but "there are not conflicts that can end the project". It’s just that Shapovalov and the management of STS have different views on how Tatu’s reality show in Podnebesnaya should be like. What their arguments lead them to can be seen in the next broadcasting of Tatu’s reality show this weekend. Julia and Lena, most likely, will appear a bit more this time, since they do visit Podnebesnaya two to three hours every day. "This is a very unpredictable project,” - says Aleksandr Tityanko. – “Nevertheless, the album is being recorded, and potential authors are arriving". One song is almost ready, and the sons author is not one of the contestants who sent in the lyrics, but the leader of group “7B” – Ivan Dimyan. The composition was not intended for the duo, but producer Ivan Shapovalov decided that it suite the girls after having a listen of it.”

Source: InterMedia
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Tatu in Podnebesnaya: The girls couldn’t split the money with their producer

In the next broadcast of “Tatu in Podnebesnaya” the viewers will be informed how much Tatu girls earn while working in “Podnebesnaya”.

Channel STS, which started the broadcasting this reality show for one reason only, discovered and intends to let its viewers know the financial position of this girly duo. The thing is, Tatu are the only Russian project that earned a lot of money in the West. They sold nearly 7 million albums, sell out tickets to huge arena’s in capitals all over the world, and after a successful breakout in the East their earnings will only increase. According to “Komsomolskaya Pravda”, currently Tatu have earned over 300 million dollars!

STS reports, that the viewers will find out the secrets of the Tatu phenomenon, which allows them to earn the money. According to the producers, they can discover a lot of this from the project on how to earn money in show-business: about contracts, author rights, renting of huge arenas for concerts and hotels.

But this is not the only intriguing part of the next episode. According to “KP”, the young Tatu girls are going to “leave” their producer Ivan Shapovalov! As we all know, money is able to start a fight even between the best friends. In seems as though the dilemma about «whether it’s possible to split 300 million dollars and remain partners» was resolved negatively by Tatu. It’s very likely that the money was the reason why the girls had a fight with their inspiration and teacher and threatened him that they want to find another “leader”. Whether the clever and tricky Ivan Shapovalov be able to change the girls’ mind and put them on the right track, the viewers will find out in the next episode of the reality show.

Source: Natalia Voloshyna from KP
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I will forget my dreams
Nothing is what it seems
I will effect you
I will protect you
From all the crazy schemes

You traded in your wings
For everything freedom brings

You never left me
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Than it was the concert... and they even showed Lena's faint... she was carried on some guy's hands... I don't know if it was a right thing to show... I mean c'mon! She's a human... why show such things... but it came out as a very cute moment after all... Yulia... brave and agressive... bad temper girl... she was sooo sweet with Lena... There were many ppl around panicing... and she was calm and seemed really knew what to do... she took some water in her mouth and soon lena opened her eyes lol she couldn't speak even... so Yulia was taking the black maskara from her face... very carefully... and then ran and brought some tea with sugar... saying Lena didn't eat anything again... and she helped her to drink it... then kissed Lena's arm, pressed her cheak to it ans sighed looking very sad... that was very 'awww'... and especially if we don't forget Yulia had fever herself...
Awww, poor Lenotchka.

How disturbing that she seems to faint a lot, but at the same time, how very nice to read / see that Yulia takes such good care of her. Same thing happened during that press conference in Moscow, remember? Lena felt weak and dizzy, Yulia "sprayed" her with water and then led her to an open window, and stayed close to her, even resting her head on her shoulder. Good to know she takes good care of Lena.

Feeeeeeeel the love!

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Old 27-01-2004, 17:41   #8
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... she was sooo sweet with Lena... There were many ppl around panicing... and she was calm and seemed really knew what to do... she took some water in her mouth and soon lena opened her eyes lol she couldn't speak even... so Yulia was taking the black maskara from her face... very carefully... and then ran and brought some tea with sugar... saying Lena didn't eat anything again... and she helped her to drink it... then kissed Lena's arm, pressed her cheak to it ans sighed looking very sad... that was very 'awww'... and especially if we don't forget Yulia had fever herself... [/b]
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It doesn't mean anything. When someone you've known for years collapses in front of you, you help them, that's only natural.
Any friend of Lena would have done the same thing, and Nastya also helped Lena when she fainted in Japan.
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Yeah... I don't think this might mean romantic affection, but it still shows that they're good friends. Remember a while back when people claimed they weren't even friends, that they hate eachother and such? I never doubted that they were good friends and have a great chementry between them.

About the Ivan bashing... staged or not... I liked it.
Perhaps it was staged and just perhaps... he just doesn't CARE!! We all saw in the documentary Ivan can be a pretty hedonistic carefree guy... he doesn't concearn himself with life to much.
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Old 27-01-2004, 18:20   #11
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It doesn't mean anything. When someone you've known for years collapses in front of you, you help them, that's only natural.
Any friend of Lena would have done the same thing, and Nastya also helped Lena when she fainted in Japan.
What about kissing the arm? Do u do the same to your friend as well?
 
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What about kissing the arm? Do u do the same to your friend as well?
In France, between family and friends, yes (And i live in the north! People in the south are much more touchy-feely!).

It's a question of culture, physical contacts between friends can go pretty far here without having any "romantic" meaning.
For example, if i'm presented a woman my age in an informal situation, we kiss each other on the cheeks even though it's the first time we meet.

Slavic culture is also lile that, and we all know that Yulia particularly likes physical contact.
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Old 27-01-2004, 18:37   #13
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It's a question of culture, physical contacts between friends can go pretty far here without having any "romantic" meaning.
you're right in that but although I'm very touchy with my friends I can not see anyone of them kissing my arm..hm..I'm not saying that that means that lena and yulia are a couple since neither of them is me

it was no matter how they would label their relationship a *very* sweet gesture...

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What about kissing the arm? Do u do the same to your friend as well?
Well, I would.. I've kissed my friends on the cheek several times (so comparing to that, the arm is practically nothing ).. And as Haku said, you kiss someone when you greet them in France. Let's just face it, Lena and Yulia are not a couple. :P

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you're right in that but although I'm very touchy with my friends I can not see anyone of them kissing my arm
He he, for the arm kissing i was not talking about any casual situation, but specifically of the fainting situation.

If a friend of mine fainted in front of me, that kind of behavior would be totally possible. It's just something you do on "impulse", because you are worried for your friend.

And we have to keep in mind that Yulia and Lena are special cases. They've been kissing and groping each other since they were forteen! They bathed naked together! They are used to contacts with each other's bodies, and of course we can expect a very touchy behavior from them in a situation where one of them is sick.
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Slavic culture is also lile that...
Yes. Yes it is! And I have pictures to prove it!

Anyway... seriously. even if they were a couple this wouldn't be much of an evidence. I thought we were past those discussions already. We're on a higher level of existance now guys!
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Thanks Queenbee! *takes rose*
but I cant agree with you..I kiss my friends on the cheek and on the mouth but I wouldnt kiss their arm..maybe I'm just weird

but yulia reacting in the protective way she did is understandable since they are friends but I don't think its common..I know a lot of people who just wouldn't care...and no matter what its sweet that she does

and being used to touchy behaviour in front of cameras does not mean that you would be touchy in a situation like that too..but it surely is a possible explanation..although I think that its more based on yul being worried about lena

but it still only proves that they care for each other and are friends..in my opinion anyway

EDIT: higher level of existance? freddie you crack me up
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Congrats about your 500 Lena410
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Let's just face it, Lena and Yulia are not a couple. :P
but it's still cute
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