Lena Katina Solo Project

[Yves]

Totally agree with everything mulder said. Nothing to add.

[regigigas1505]

^ Me too.

[Edgar]

It's a pity, I really love most all your comments, Mulder

Originally Posted by mulder

I never said she was, nor did any one else.

Yeah, You're right, You never said that. But Sometimes seems that Somepeople thinks so.

She can do as many or as few gigs as she wants to. What you want is irrelevant.

Of course, She can do as many gigs as she want to (rather they want to) But it's not correct to this new project. Why? Beacuse they just be to using image of t.A.T.u. and not Lena K. project.

She does. They are good pop/rock songs, and while they may not set the world on fire, I think a lot of people will like them.

Maybe you want to say They are good pop songs but I don't see any good song there, I mean what is a good song? I would say that A good song is a work of art or a hit. (Though that Pop's world it should be more a hit). Maybe we got to have a different point of view.

Writing songs is easy, writing good songs is more difficult. The end result has got to be something people will want to listen to over time.

Yeah wiriting good songs is more difficult. it seems that it's too hard to do for them.

I don't know the internal workings of Lena's management, so I can't comment. However things seem to be moving along quickly enough, as far as I can see.

Moving along quickly?. I don't think so, I still remember when they just finished the third album for the project t.A.T.u. We do not get it until much later. It seems that it is too difficult for them to release a album. Creating music has never been problem for them. They used to get it from other artists. So I wouldn't say that Things seem to be moving along quickly, Right now it's too wrong to say that.

No, the fact that they are the big hits is exactly why Lena should perform them. I hope you never go into band management, as you don't seem to have grasped the way things are done. Remember the idea is to make money, and therefore you compromise - do what you want to do, and what the fans want to hear/see.

It's a new thing to me, Lena is playing to be t.A.T.u. then she shouldn't make a new project. Because if fans want to hear just t.A.T.u. then her solo project is done.

Oh for goodness sake that's exactly what she is doing.

Wrong if You would see it from my view, that's exactly what they are doing. (Renski, Staff of t.A.T.u., maybe the band except lena)

In Lena's case, she only has one album, and that hasn't even been released yet. What do you expect her to do - oh that's right, do a concert comprising of new songs nobody's heard yet. Yes, that's going to be successful

No more concerts? They should be making a new video, new promotion and They really need to finish their album. Then they would make better concerts with the music from this new project.

OK, let's look at her set list for The Troubadour:

Running Blind - Tatu - Never performed live before
Fly on the Wall - Tatu - Never performed live before
ATTSS - Tatu
World - New
Craving - Tatu - Never performed live before
Cosmos - Tatu
HSIN - Smith's Cover
IRS - New
Just A Day - New
Lost In Love - New
Show Me Love - Tatu
So Not Cool - New
Stay - New
30 Minutes - Tatu
NGGU - Tatu

Tatu - 8 - 3 of which Tatu never performed
New - 6
Cover - 1

Anyway this is music from t.A.T.u. project even if there's not a live performe of them. Not Lena Project. So you think that's reasonable have more music from other projects that their music? No Mulder that's no reasonable. You can have music from other projects on your concerts but that should be a extra thing.

I don't really want to get into tedious arguments about this, it's just that I think everyone should give Lena a chance to establish herself before condemning her as useless, when she hasn't even released her first solo album.

Anyone really can give Lena a chance if they really think that she is making good things but example I don't see good things on this project. But I won't close my mind about that. If they start to make new things and that're good things, I will give her a chance.

[Argos]

Originally Posted by mulder

She can do as many or as few gigs as she wants to. What you want is irrelevant.

The result is not irrelevant. A stuttering project may not work anywhere. Matter of opinion of course!(until time tells...)

Originally Posted by mulder

Writing songs is easy, writing good songs is more difficult.

If a team is talented they can write a good song in a reasonable amount of time. That's the very purpose of a music project. Well, you can prove me wrong anytime. For at least two years the team knows that tatu is over and that they have to create something for the Katina project. Time enough for two or three songs with hit potential. My hope is still that they didn't reveal their best ones, but honestly, I don't see a reason for that.

Originally Posted by mulder

I hope you never go into band management, as you don't seem to have grasped the way things are done. Remember the idea is to make money...

Thanks for the advice! I'll try to keep away. Anyway, in full approval of your profound knowledge of the music business I dare to bet that this will soon bring your project to the end of the line. I can't remember a manager trying to make money with his project before he has a solid package, with a clear profile, some good songs and a well developed unique sound. You can tell me that you can build a house from the roof down to the basement, but I won't believe until I have seen it.

About the tatu songs in her concerts: There is (in principle) nothing to say against Lena using them in her concert. The tricky point is the choice and the amount. She can use any of the third album, it's practically not released outside Russia and therefore can even be treated as if the songs were written for Lena. To some degree the same goes for the second album, if she leaves the hit song(s) alone. Hardly anybody outside the tatu community will recognize that it's not genuinely Katina. The songs of the first album ARE known and exactly that can cause trouble. The tatu songs she performs are all considerably "better" than her own new songs (you may of course see the quality of the new songs different, but that's my own impression, and not only mine), even the best ones simply can't compete, they go under. Professional people, who know the origin of the songs, will immediately recognize this and come to the conclusion that the entire project is based on tatu's creative work alone, and you won't get support from them, which is the last thing you want to achieve (seen from the viewpoint of an incompetent never will be band manager).

Seeing that the gigs had much to do with tatu fan service, I would nevertheless choose less songs from the tatu past and at least partly avoid the top hits because of too much competition for my own new songs. I think somewhat smaller gigs or some covers of other artists' work are no bad alternatives.

Originally Posted by mulder

I don't really want to get into tedious arguments about this, it's just that I think everyone should give Lena a chance to establish herself before condemning her as useless, when she hasn't even released her first solo album.

We have to see Katina different from a typical band in it's embryo stage. A local group soon has it's 200 fans going to their concerts and giving their support, they have local media behind them and they can mostly get some friend of the local music business. Good chances for development. Even with some big mistakes they can build their project over time and at some time may become successful.

With a foreign project, where the main figure doesn't live at the point, where they start and develop the business, it's different. The option of slowly developing the project is way too expensive and your time in the foreign country is limited. I see no other way than have the right package complete and launch with a good amount of noise. Veni - vidi - vici, if everything goes well. Not knowing the huge American scene I can't remember an artist working outside the USA, English being not his first language, and working slowly to the top or at least to some point of common recognition. I can't imagine this can ever work outside your home country.

My biggest concern is the image. I will never understand why they dropped the idea from the beginning, this unusual style from the start of her own website, I guess everybody loved it. It's something different and it feeds your imagination. You can develop (almost) anything on top of that, you are not limited as it was with the tatu image. But we got Lena clothed as boring as possible, with blue gloves (oh my God, what a great idea - making strange hand moves with blue gloves - a genius who made this up!). Of course there are some acts who can live with the image of the girl next door, but unfortunately next door is more than 10.000 miles away, and therefore not a credible image.

Add to this weak image and style a girl with anything but a firm voice, no self-assuredness nor individuality in appearance, no new song with hit potential, a sound which doesn't stand out (so that people immediately identify and see apart from other groups), no message (in songs, appearances, media releases, interviews etc...) whatsoever, the highlights being the oldest hits from the former group, nothing what defines a clear and assertive Lena Katina profile, which can be sold, and you are satisfied with the development over two years of working on the project? In my old-fashioned dilettante view of showbiz I don't see a pivot for an international career with prospect, not without considerable changes.

I want to see a successful Lena Katina (at least to a reasonable degree) and not a project which stumbles from fiasco to fiasco, as the tatu project did since 2007. It's no fun to see a project you follow with interest and sympathy either be ignored or ridiculed everytime someone writes an article.

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by regigigas1505

And, Argos, I hope I'm wrong, then. I hope I'm wrong about others, too, like little_polar_bear. It seems like Lena's doomed just because Renski with her. Because all you do is critisize Lena - not wisely, but spitefully.

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

The entire point is that Lena is not t.A.T.u....
the woman needs to get her ass out to more than one gig a month...
actually perform quality songs...
In the amount of time they have had, good songs and a lack of them should not be a problem.
Renski ... been the entire problem with things being produced and released on time
The fact that NGGU and ATTSS are big hits is exactly why it's stupid to perform them.
She's not establishing her own sound
she's establishing herself as a piece of washed up early 2000's pop music
Newsflash: Nobody cares.
...artists you've listed below have produced multiple albums of decent or better quality that brings in fans by themselves
In Lena's case it's the entire main course.

That's not spite. - The fact that she has only DONE two performances first off, is a major flaw. Second - t.A.T.u. music, at least, well known t.A.T.u. music - should not be a part of the Lena Katina project.

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by mulder

She can do as many or as few gigs as she wants to. What you want is irrelevant.

Correction. What you believe is irrelevant. You do not establish a brand or a name by doing the least number of shows possible - something t.A.T.u. and anyone involved with Renski is known for. Whether you believe this or not, it is truth.

Originally Posted by mulder

She does. They are good pop/rock songs, and while they may not set the world on fire, I think a lot of people will like them.

A lot of people like Craving, Gomenasai, Snegopady and many other t.A.T.u. songs. But, they're only known for All The Things She Said or possibly Not Gonna Get us. The songs that set the world on fire.

Originally Posted by mulder

Writing songs is easy, writing good songs is more difficult. The end result has got to be something people will want to listen to over time.

Exactly? - Don't write music if you don't write good music. End of the story.

Originally Posted by mulder

I don't know the internal workings of Lena's management, so I can't comment. However things seem to be moving along quickly enough, as far as I can see.

Two shows. Possible album release. - A decent progress for the album maybe, but for Lena's brand. No way. She doesn't even have a following past 200 loyal fans that would purchase her album.

Originally Posted by mulder

No, the fact that they are the big hits is exactly why Lena should perform them. I hope you never go into band management, as you don't seem to have grasped the way things are done. Remember the idea is to make money, and therefore you compromise - do what you want to do, and what the fans want to hear/see.

Aha! The fact that you, who is blatantly ignoring every important aspect of band management, have the audacity to tell me how to properly do it is probably the most amusing thing on the interwebz to date. | The idea for Renski is to make money - while appearing overly creative of course. As a newcomer trying to establish her own sound, Lena should not be performing any t.A.T.u. music - especially the hits. t.A.T.u. is not Lena Katina, that is the sole purpose of why she is now a solo artist. So please inform me why t.A.T.u. discography is still a part of her setlist? This is the Lena Katina Solo Project, not the Lena Katina Cover Band. - And I'm sorry, but you're an idiot if you think she has any fans outside the t.A.T.u. network. Nobody even knows who she is other than the random people that still remember her name from Milwaukee's Pridefest. It's not like there are millions of people eagerly awaiting Lena Katina's new record. If Renski and Lena's goal is to please current fans, they can kiss new ones outside of the t.A.T.u. spectrum goodbye - because they will never increase their fan base like this.

Originally Posted by mulder

Oh for goodness sake that's exactly what she is doing.

No, it is not. She has some of her own material yes. But it is only being recognized because she is flaunting herself as a former part of t.A.T.u. - You cannot work both ends of the street. You cannot establish your own sound while retaining your image as a former t.A.T.u. member.

Originally Posted by mulder

Rubbish.

All The Things She Said - Released: August 18, 2002
Not Gonna Get Us - Released: May 5, 2003

Sounds like early 2000's pop music to me. The facts do not lie.

Originally Posted by mulder

No, you don't care, which is why I wonder why you are still here.

I am hear to preach truth to people that would otherwise be swept away in this wave of bullshit you're torching out faster than even the Republic party is capable of doing.

Originally Posted by mulder

In Lena's case, she only has one album, and that hasn't even been released yet. What do you expect her to do - oh that's right, do a concert comprising of new songs nobody's heard yet. Yes, that's going to be successful

Case and point - you have no idea what you are talking about. The reason an artist puts on more than one show a month is because they are promoting their music. In Lena's case, it would be prudent to play good music in clubs around L.A. and other cities in order to circulate her brand and her new music. While many people may not know her live music at first, it's safe to say that even fewer people will actually purchase the album containing this music if they do not know it in the first place. And in case you didn't notice, t.A.T.u. was a bit of a failure for the most part - why do the exact same thing with the exception of Yulia being absent. Sounds like a bad idea to me.

Originally Posted by mulder

OK, let's look at her set list for The Troubadour:

Running Blind - Tatu - Never performed live before
Fly on the Wall - Tatu - Never performed live before
ATTSS - Tatu
World - New
Craving - Tatu - Never performed live before
Cosmos - Tatu
HSIN - Smith's Cover
IRS - New
Just A Day - New
Lost In Love - New
Show Me Love - Tatu
So Not Cool - New
Stay - New
30 Minutes - Tatu
NGGU - Tatu

Tatu - 8 - 3 of which Tatu never performed
New - 6
Cover - 1


I think that's reasonable for someone starting out as a solo performer, after the previous band imploded.

This is the part of the discussion where I honestly do not know why I'm even bothering to reply to your nonsense. Look at what is bold up above. All of that is t.A.T.u. music, whether it was performed live or not, it is not Lena Katina. And out of those 9 songs, six of them were songs that were performed by t.A.T.u. - that is an issue. I do not count HSIN as a cover because it was in fact recorded and released on their album. It is a t.A.T.u. song when Lena Katina performs it. I doubt she could even tell you who the original artist is.

Originally Posted by mulder

I don't really want to get into tedious arguments about this, it's just that I think everyone should give Lena a chance to establish herself before condemning her as useless, when she hasn't even released her first solo album.

Then don't spew your rubbish as anything other than rubbish. There is no reason this project should be operating the way it currently is. I think Lena should actually give herself a chance as Lena and not a former part of t.A.T.u. - maybe then people wouldn't condemn her as "useless".

[sakuya]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

That's not spite. - The fact that she has only DONE two performances first off, is a major flaw. Second - t.A.T.u. music, at least, well known t.A.T.u. music - should not be a part of the Lena Katina project.

Why? Many solo artist perform old band stuff later. Why Lena cant?

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by sakuya

Why? Many solo artist perform old band stuff later. Why Lena cant?

Because. You're missing the entire point that Lena should be establishing herself as Lena Katina. Nobody is saying she should completely abandon all t.A.T.u. material. But eight songs of t.A.T.u. in her entire setlist? Seriously? No former band member does that injustice to their former band.

[regigigas1505]

Originally Posted by Edgar

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And What? it was her decision to be with him then that's her fault. But I really think that Nobody here does is critisize Lena by that. Even I should say that We do is critisize her by her own limitations (aleast me)

What I said was: they critisize because of that. I never mentiones Lena was with him because she was forced to -- it doesn't really matter to me.

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

That's not spite. - The fact that she has only DONE two performances first off, is a major flaw. Second - t.A.T.u. music, at least, well known t.A.T.u. music - should not be a part of the Lena Katina project.

It's spite because Lena's the silly, untalented one; she's repetitive and seems like rooted on stage, she's got nothing going for her, she's ought to thank Yulia for talking sh*t about her, bla bla bla.

That's not related to her live performances.

Originally Posted by Argos

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I don't know what you mean exactly. Aileen and I explained with many arguments and without personal insults toward Lena, what we think about the Katina project and how they handle certain critical points without being mean. If I remember correctly, lately I was even more 'spiteful' towards Yulya than her.

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Arguments? You're both baised on opinions. Facts are different from guesses, you know that. Don't try to sell your takes on these girls lives as truth.

Without being mean?

Let's see...

Originally Posted by Argos

Uhm, can't say that she had to. She gets noticed anyway and everybody talks about her, even without lips, parties and other dramas. Lets make a resumé:

Lena is working hard and lets every fan know it, has an own webpage, she does diary entries, video blogs, lets musicians tweet, releases a song on the webpage, has two full concerts, six new songs, announces the release time of the debut album, the shooting of a video...and nobody in Russia takes notice.

Yulya on the other hand has nothing like that to offer. She drops her lover and everybody knows, comes home with a glass of herbals, and everybody knows, her new friend kisses her on the belly-button and everybody knows, and finally she mocks at her former partner, and people notice for the first time that Lena is doing something. Actually Lena should thank her for doing promotion for the Katina project!

And, also: http://forum.tatysite.net/showpost.p...&postcount=936

It's all here. You're sarcastic towards the whole situation... Which can only be powered by your spite towards Katina.

That's of course not spiteful, but wisely critisizing Yulya. May it be that you are a bit biased, even a little bit blind on one eye?

Ah, come one. I was shocked by the selfdestruction of Yulia AND her suddenly coward and traitor behavior. I reacted like that, but I don't hate Yulia and only wish her the best.

And thanks for the compliments.

[sakuya]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

Because. You're missing the entire point that Lena should be establishing herself as Lena Katina. Nobody is saying she should completely abandon all t.A.T.u. material. But eight songs of t.A.T.u. in her entire setlist? Seriously? No former band member does that injustice to their former band.

Shes new. She doesn't have enough material. She got shows. What she is supposed to perform if the album material is not ready? Although I agree covering other artists than tatu would be more favorable option.

[Edgar]

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I think that We should put this on Lena Katina solo project's post

Originally Posted by sakuya

Shes new. She doesn't have enough material. She got shows. What she is supposed to perform if the album material is not ready? Although I agree covering other artists than tatu would be more favorable option.

She shouldn't perform nothing until she have more music and promotion? is that a better idea?. Why should we have bad concerts and stupid tracklists? Just because they don't have nothing to give us.

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Originally Posted by regigigas1505

Arguments?

Argument.- A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion from the others. Argos doesn't need to have the truth about them to have a argument. He just needs to have a idea or thought and follows logically. I don't see spite on his post. I really don't want to make a opinion about post of somebody else. But I really didn't get what you really are saying here.

[sakuya]

Originally Posted by Edgar

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I think that We should put this on Lena Katina solo project's post



She shouldn't perform nothing until she have more music and promotion? is that a better idea?. Why should we have bad concerts and stupid tracklists? Just because they don't have nothing to give us.

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Argument.- A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion from the others. Argos doesn't need to have the truth about them to have a argument. He just needs to have a idea or thought and follows logically. I don't see spite on his post. I really don't make a opinion about post of somebody else. But I really didn't get what you really are said here.

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to keep few of us interested till that time

[sakuya]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

If the album has 12 songs, then she should be performing more than six of her own. She's had over a year, her album should be ready to perform live. If not, I have already lost faith in this project.

Agreed. she performs too many tatu songs. Yet that doesn't mean she don't have the right to perform them.

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by sakuya

Agreed. she performs too many tatu songs. Yet that doesn't mean she don't have the right to perform them.

I would be fine with her performing fewer songs to cater to fans maybe. But ATTSS? NGGU? - No. Out of the question. That is not Lena Katina.

[Edgar]

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Originally Posted by sakuya

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to keep few of us interested till that time

Now I understand that, You prefer a project is lame and stupid with a great waste time. Through that They could wait to release things with time and then they could keep few of us interested till that time. Nice thought, thank you for your opinion

[sakuya]

Originally Posted by Edgar

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Now I understand that, You prefer a project is lame and stupid with a great waste time. Through that They could wait to release things with time and then they could keep few of us interested till that time. Nice thought, thank you for your opinion

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if there was no lame project i doubt you would still be here

[Starrgurl]

Also, Lena may only have 6 songs because she said during the fan meeting that they might just release an EP first. So those 6 may be all we get for the debut.

[Edgar]

Originally Posted by sakuya

if there was no lame project i doubt you would still be here

What do you mean?, Maybe you want to say that If this solo project was a lame project, You doubt I would still be here. Maybe You misunderstood me, I was talking about that They are making mistakes on their solo project. But I don't think that is lame at all, It will be lame if they still make the same mistakes before.

And It's too easy to say for me.
*You must read the thread where you were writing was Yulia solo project and this site is for t.A.T.u., That's no exclusive for Lena, Is that?
But I will be honest:
This solo project still have some life even if they just can make mistakes. They would make a good song what I could love. But that song still isn't here. Atleast I didn't listen it in concerts.

[crazy malchik]

may become annoying for most of the users.

Oh, no, we don't read it.

Well, I don't know why you're causing such a stir. I mean, Annie Lennox performs Eurythmics songs on her performances. Beyonce performs Destiny's Child songs. Fergie performs Black Eyes Peas songs. It's pretty normal. It's what they do.

[sakuya]

What I meant was if there was no lena katina project (well, no concerts till release etc) forum would be so dead. no news from yulia, tatu. Why bother checking it then

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Argos: Further reading - Lena Katina Solo Project - part 2!