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Learning BG with Cool
He heeee, well I couldnt say 'no' either
![]() Lesson One ok, well, I will follow the Russian thread... and Start with the Alphabet and reading: Cyrillc Alphabet - BG [Line #1 is Typed Capital letters, Line #2 is Typed Small letters, Line #3 is Cursive Capital letters, and line #4 is Cursive Small letters] so, most of you already know, Bulgarian alphabet is almost identical to the Russian one, with only 3 exceptions... the Russian one has 3 extra letters: э, ы, ё. So a lot of my work has already been done in the Learning Russian thread. Lets see - what can I say, Bulgarian is easier that Russian ![]() ![]() So let me back up here...I know I gave you a link to the alphabet, but let it be mainly because of the cursive writing, here is the alphabet typed: Аа Бб Вв Гг Дд Ее Жж Зз Ии Йй Кк Лл Мм Нн Оо Пп Рр Сс Тт Уу Фф Хх Цц Чч Шш Щщ ъ ъ Ьь Юю Яя And here is a sound file of How to pronaunce the BG letters . Few comments on that: first the letter й - it is called 'и кратко' = 'short i'...that is why it sounds like I say и = i twice, when really one is long и and one is short й. Then ь - this is not a very used letter in Bulgarian. In Russian it is used as soft sign, but since Bulgarian is not as soft as Russian, we do not use it as soft sign. For us it is actually a letter, but - it is never used alone - always in combination with o, so you could see: ьо which is read as yo. A word can never begin with this ьо, another way to write the sound yo is also йо - so if it should be in the begining of a word it would be йо. When is one used and when the other you ask, if it is in the middle or end of word... well, that depends on the letter before it, whether it is a soft or hard consinant - soft get the ьо and hard get йо - ![]() Also ъ for us a vowel for us, and not a 'hard sound' as in Russian. So, actually, let me back up some more and say: the vowels is Bulgarian are: а, е, и, о, у, ъ - ufff, I hope I got those right - will confirm in next posting. Listen to the file above to know how they are pronauned exactly ![]() consonants- ah, sunny poison explained those pretty well in the Russian one, and ours arent that much different, so I will borrow some of your explanations if you dont mind ![]() ж - zh (like in english word decision... may be just a bit firmer) й - j (like in the 'yard') х - h (like in 'help, but much firmer) ц - ts (like in its - or as I like to translit it ts) ч - ch (China) ш - sh (sh shop) щ - sht, hmm, cant think of an English word, but it is basically 'sh' and 't' right after it - yes, this one is different than Russian ![]() ю - 'i' and 'u' together, so 'iu' as in Юля ![]() я - 'i' and 'a', so 'ia' or sounds like 'yard' well, basically all the other consonants are pretty similar to english corresponding sounds ![]() Ok, last thing for the first and very basic lesson is that when little kids learn BG grammar in school, they are thought how to break down the word into срички = syllables. so for example the word 'прозорец' = 'window' should be read as: 'п-р-о-з-о-р-е-ц' letter by letter, or broken into: 'про-зо-рец'. how to read 'прозорец' Well, since it doesnt really matter which letter is stressed in Bulgarian, no need to worry about that yet - no letter will change because they aren't stressed ![]() |
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coolasfcuk, it's curious that BG and Russian spelling sound almost as latin founded as Spanish.
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Yea!
After reading and listinig to the example of window many times I think I got it.
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oh NO!! ..urr .. nice thread Cools ..I'll catch up with this later .. after my Russian .. then after learning Bulgarian can I date your cousin?
Looks simple without the akan'ye and ikan'ye .. until I read the line Quote:
Okay.. seriously... this is interesting Cools ..I'll check here too ![]() |
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Good day and thank you coolasfcuk,
I am wandering around this classroom too, for now at least ![]() so, ya yoo and yo (ьо) have their own symbols (or two) but not ye? I can't hear the sound file, so don't know how the vowel ъ is pronounced? PS the history lesson is much appreciated. ![]() ![]() |
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Cool , thanks for the first lesson. I`m going to try this Bulgarian thing, though I have this "great" ability to mix up languages which are very simalar to each other. I just hope that I don`t choose the easier way in Russian, when I have learned here what the easy way is.
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ahhh thanks cool for taking the time to open this thread...should be fun
![]() "sht" in English; there are no words ![]() A main inspiration for the Cyrillic alphabet was the Greek one ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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eeeh heeeee, just for fun I recorded saying a few sentences in BG that I found in a reference book.
my 'homework' as for what I am saying... ![]() ![]() ![]() does it sound sort of OK? ![]() |
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Hehe.. I should learn Bulgarian so I'm not always making a fool of myself when I go there.. <can't read menus!>
Maybe I should teach a French class. After Russian it will seem a breeze to you. ![]() |
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heeeee, hi everybody ... so there are few students here
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![]() well, I recorded it ![]() Listen to it And here it is typed... Жените на времето бяха идеалистки, правеха любов заради самата нея. Една рокля е хубава само тогава, когато предизвиква у тебе желание да кажеш на жената, която я носи: "Какви хубави очи имате!" translated: The women in the past were idealists, they made love just for the sake of making love. One dress is nice only when it evokes a desire in you to say to the woman wearing it: "What beautiful eyes you have!". btw. using тебе is completely slangish ![]() |
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мерси много
![]() ![]() тебе is slangish? My 'contemporary' grammar doesn't even give теб as an option...ever...only те and тебе...I don't know what to make of this book; it's best not to take books like this too seriously, I think ![]() |
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![]() btw. I wanted to do the stress thing bold.... but I am horrible ![]() ![]() |
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става, няма проблеми
![]() Жените на времето бяха идеалистки, правеха любов заради самата нея. Една рокля е хубава само тогава, когато предизвиква у тебе желание да кажеш на жената, която я носи: "Какви хубави очи имате!" What do you think? I can definitely hear where I got some of them wrong... ![]() |
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![]() Cool, you said in first lesson that "Well, since it doesnt really matter which letter is stressed in Bulgarian, no need to worry about that yet - no letter will change because they aren't stressed...". So stress don`t affect to letters, it doesn`t change letters but you still have to pay attention to a stress, right? |
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![]() If you put the stress in the wrong place it is not a huge deal, usually, there are hew words which change meaning depending on stress (will think of them and let you know). It wont be incorrect if you put the wrong stress... you will just sound like a foreigner ![]() |
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