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Old 06-12-2006, 01:08   #181
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Fully veiled woman (Taliban style) to give Christmas speech on Channel 4… WTF?

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Old 06-12-2006, 01:28   #182
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WTF. This is political correctness gone MAD.

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Old 06-12-2006, 16:16   #183
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strikes me as being rather odd to be honest.. if you don't want people to see your face, don't go on tv... there's always radio screw pc
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:50   #184
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Meh. I always considered women's veils as opressive, but hey... they (muslim women) want it as well, so I can't really argue about habits of a culture I don't really know. Other than that I'm all for cultural diversity and celebration of world's heritage and if they want to express it this way, more power to them. If we (westerners) condemn acts like this we'll be no less intolerant than muslim extremists are. We are the ones that need to teach Islam about a certain level of tolerance which they are more often than not. If we just go: "You're intolerant towards our culture so we'll be intolerant towards yours back..." we'll do nothing but spin around a vicious cycle.
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Old 07-12-2006, 18:48   #185
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Yeah, but it's a case of tollerating intolerance, what's the point of fighting Talibans in Afghanistan if it's to let them push their extremist agenda in Europe itself. We do have to tollerate intolerance within certain limits but not to that extent. Those fully vieled women are basically asking for the right to be oppressed, it's like a group of black people asking for the right to be enslaved or a group of young children asking for the right to have sex with adults.
Western societies have decided a long time ago that even when people are "concenting", there are limits to what can be done to them, we do not allow human sacrifice, we do not allow enslavement, we do not allow assisted suicide, we do not allow polygamy, we do not allow female circumcision or any other kind of body mutilation (but we do allow male circumcision, which is a shame and should be illegal as well), the list goes on, and the full viel should be in that list.
Most importantly, those fully vieled women are making a joke out of the women's rights movement which hasn't achieved complete equality yet even in Europe. Only 90 years ago, the sufragettes were fighting for the right of women to vote, some of those women died in that fight, and they must be rolling in their graves when they see the damage those muslim women are doing to the cause of gender equality.
We can't allow people to bring back medieval obscurantism in our societies, whether it's in the name of "religion" or "tradition", and if those muslim women really can't live according to the rules of western societies, there are a number of islamic countries where they can immigrate and live happily under the sharia, but the sharia has no place in Europe.
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Old 08-12-2006, 04:30   #186
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We can't allow people to bring back medieval obscurantism in our societies, whether it's in the name of "religion" or "tradition", and if those muslim women really can't live according to the rules of western societies, there are a number of islamic countries where they can immigrate and live happily under the sharia, but the sharia has no place in Europe.
That's a but extreme, isn't it? In that case we should simply burn down all the mosks and buddhist temples all over Europe and maybe even churches while we're at it, since we can't alow "medievil obscurantism in our society".

I mean I understand your point up to an extent. I'm an agnostic and everything concerning religion seems terribly amusing (almost ridiculous) in my eyes. But I only tend to look at it as tradition. Liek Oktoberfest is a tradition and no one looks down on those Germans for getting pissed out of their minds every year. Like all traditions... I try to accept it. Supposedly that's what our liberal society is supposed to be good at.

And from what I've heard those muslim women who wear it don't consider themselves as being "oppressed". I'm sure that has something to do with how they were brought up, but still... who are we to tell them their ways are wrong. One consequence of running an open-minded secular society is also to be tolerant of religions and their practices.
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Old 06-01-2007, 19:42   #187
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The difference between extremist islam and modern civilization
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Old 06-01-2007, 20:55   #188
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In that case we should simply burn down all [...] churches while we're at it
That has been known to happen in Norway. There actually were a wave of such happenings in the mid 90s. I dunno how many churches and chapels that were burnt down. There were many... and there were even arsons that failed where churches just got lightly damaged.

But I'm not a fan of those things... even tho I'm taking part in the "society" who's members were guilty for these action back then. I'll use words and a pen instead of a lighter and gasoline.

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I really liked listening to this. It examplifies a good difference between extremist muslims and western civilization. But I think it's important to say that far from all muslims are like the ones she mentions tho...
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Old 07-01-2007, 17:23   #189
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my dad's a muslim, so his side of the family is really islamic, my mum converted into Islam, but she was originally Christian and so her side of the family are all christians.
I had this loooong lecture with my dad the other day about this topic, it lasted 3 hours!!!

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Rachel, not in general, but many people from these countries have been interview by Swedish TV (and aired here, obviously) and they go against their countries. Strangely enough there were many women who said this, which really surprised me as they are usually not ... you know, worth that much. Now they're getting educations and trying to change their countries (HAHAHAHA good luck).
Thats kind of what im trying to do but not really, i would LIKE to change the way in which Muslims are portrayed by te media, and how women are viewed in the muslim society.
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Old 08-01-2007, 16:35   #190
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Thats kind of what im trying to do but not really, i would LIKE to change the way in which Muslims are portrayed by te media, and how women are viewed in the muslim society.
Humour has always been a good way to start.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:50   #191
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i would actually love to see this show. amongst my friends who are also muslim we're always ripping off muslim culture and tradition and well, we think its funny
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Old 05-04-2007, 00:14   #192
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Old 05-04-2007, 00:26   #193
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Priests really creep me out for some reason. They just seem so calm and pure, I really doubt that a human being can be perfectly "flawless", I always expect them to be hiding horrible secrets Either that or I expect them to just go mad one day after years of hiding their lust and anger
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Old 05-04-2007, 03:32   #194
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Priests really creep me out for some reason. They just seem so calm and pure, I really doubt that a human being can be perfectly "flawless", I always expect them to be hiding horrible secrets Either that or I expect them to just go mad one day after years of hiding their lust and anger

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