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Old 04-09-2006, 22:45   #21
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Allthough I kinda thought it was bound to happen sometimes, cause that guy was really pushing the limits, I think his death was a huge loss. He was such a huge animal-lover --- the correct type of animal-lover, who understood the animal kingdom and how we should live and learn with animals. We will always need people like him everywhere. I thought he was super-cool, and he had the coolest accent. I think the numerous documentaries and series that he made about the wildlife will never grow old, cause there will really be only one Steve Irwin! Now, he was the real life Crocodile Dundee!
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Old 04-09-2006, 23:03   #22
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Now normally these are placid creatures, it's only if they are stepped on or provoked that they will lash out with their tails...
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Old 04-09-2006, 23:14   #24
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I heard the news this morning at school this morning but laughed it off cause I thought it was a joke but as I came home ma sister told me about it an it reallyb shocked me. My heart goes out to his family and friends an may his soul rest in peace.

He chose that life to live so he died by the the lifestyle he chose.

But I think if Steve was to die by an animal I thought it would have been by a crocodile
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Old 05-09-2006, 00:24   #25
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When you are mad enough to do this kind of thing something bad is gonna end up happening. He pretty much had a death wish
I just KNEW there was going to be a reaction like this when I posted the news. I just flipping KNEW IT. I'm going to say right now that I'm about to flip my lid because I've been dealing with shitty comments ALL FREAKING DAY about Steve and I simply cannot take it anymore (basically, I'm not singling out Rachel, I'm venting in general).

First off, for all of you that know how big of a Shania fan I am, Steve Irwin is like Shania to me as far as my role model so yes, I am taking things personally here.

Now for my rant:

Steve was NOT crazy/mad. He was the most PASSIONATE person out there!!!!!! He CARED for wildlife and worked SO damn hard at spreading the word to people about saving his beloved animals. Steve worked his ass off his whole life toward "conservation through education" and he did a damn good job. He altered millions of people's views about animals previously percieved as nothing other than things that make good hats or jewlry. He INSPIRED people to work at conserving animals and to protect them! He was such a phenomenal wildlife warrior! He truly had a magnificent gift with wildlife (don't you dare say a sarcastic remark to this...one fucking freak accident does NOT diminish all he's accomplished throughout his life) and I think it was wonderful that he decided to share his experiences with us via his shows, movie, documentaries, etc.

Who else had the guts and the skill to get *that* close to the animals and give us, the audience, such a different perspective?? Of all the times he handled snakes, he was NEVER bitten by a venemous one...that's one huge accomplishment! And look at all the times he handled the crocodiles & alligators WITHOUT anything going wrong! For pete's sake, he even jumped on Grahm, one of the largest crocs, during a heavy rain, where he was EXTREMELY vulnerable and saved his best mate, Wes!!! THE MAN KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING and don't anyone DARE insinuate that he didn't!!!!!!!

YES, his job had obvious risks, but just like he brought up in 2004...his mother was around dangerous animals on a daily basis just like he was, and she got killed in a CAR ACCIDENT! If a firefighter got killed during a fire, would you say he didn't know what he was doing? NO! It's a risk that comes with the job, everyone knows that, but no one would dare denounce the firefighter of not knowing his skill.

Did he get too close to the stingray? OBVIOUSLY. BUT, has he been that close before and nothing has gone wrong? YES! The mistake this time is that Steve accidentally boxed the stingray in (via John, his producer/friend), causing the stingray to react like any animal--to protect itself.

I just wanna say big kudos to all those who said nice things about Steve. His loss is a huge one in the animal world and I know personally, I miss his enthusiasm already. He was/is such a huge influence on me and I'll always appreciate him and his message. May he rest in peace and may his influence be felt for decades.
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Old 05-09-2006, 00:34   #26
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I just KNEW there was going to be a reaction like this when I posted the news. I just flipping KNEW IT.
It should tell you something

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Who else had the guts and the skill to get *that* close to the animals.
I think you are confusing guts with stupidity.

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If a firefighter got killed during a fire, would you say he didn't know what he was doing? NO! It's a risk that comes with the job, everyone knows that, but no one would dare denounce the firefighter of not knowing his skill.
LOL @ what people are comparing in this thread. A firefighter does a neccessary job. No one needs a guy jumping on crocodiles every 5 minutes to get a bit of cheap entertainment on TV.

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Did he get too close to the stingray? OBVIOUSLY. BUT, has he been that close before and nothing has gone wrong? YES! The mistake this time is that Steve accidentally boxed the stingray in (via John, his producer/friend), causing the stingray to react like any animal--to protect itself.
Well what does that tell you? If he had just left animals alone he would be alive & well now.
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:05   #27
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Who else had the guts and the skill to get *that* close to the animals and give us, the audience, such a different perspective
Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:08   #28
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He will missed very much. Its so sad .
I was shocked to hear the news yesterday. I had tears in my eyes when i saw it on tv.
He was a great Australian ambassador cared so much about wildlife.

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Old 05-09-2006, 01:14   #29
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:23   #30
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It should tell you something

I think you are confusing guts with stupidity.

LOL @ what people are comparing in this thread. A firefighter does a neccessary job. No one needs a guy jumping on crocodiles every 5 minutes to get a bit of cheap entertainment on TV.

Well what does that tell you? If he had just left animals alone he would be alive & well now.
You're right, why should I expect any RESPECT or decency from some of the people here? Yes, it is silly of me.

CHEAP ENTERTAINMENT?! WTF ever. STUPIDITY?!? You're a smoker of more than just cigarettes and you're talking to me about stupidity?

And if every person left everything dangerous alone, what the hell kind of life would that be? Don't go crying to anyone when you get lung cancer and breathe through a hole in your neck.

Steve Irwin is NOT Timothy f*ing Treadwell. I'm not even going to go there and explain that.

Why do I even bother? Those who don't understand what I'm talking about never will. Steve had a gift and that's that.
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:31   #31
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You're a smoker of more than just cigarettes and you're talking to me about stupidity?

And if every person left everything dangerous alone, what the hell kind of life would that be? Don't go crying to anyone when you get lung cancer and breathe through a whole in your neck.
Oh lorddd, please excuse me while I laugh I smoke weed like once every month or so. I don't need to explain myself to anyone, and certainly not you And oh come on, there we go again comparing two completely different things. And I don't want people to cry for me when I die (probably of lung cancer ) because I know the risk I'm taking. I won't want peoples sympathy.

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Old 05-09-2006, 01:44   #32
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Oh lorddd, please excuse me while I laugh I smoke weed like once every month or so. I don't need to explain myself to anyone, and certainly not you And oh come on, there we go again comparing two completely different things. And I don't want people to cry for me when I die (probably of lung cancer ) because I know the risk I'm taking. I won't want peoples sympathy.

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I'm e-mailing Fredda as we speak.

This is my problem...Steve just died and obviously from my posts it's clear that he meant a lot to me. If your idol died, even if I didn't like her, I'd keep anything negative to myself just out of RESPECT for your feelings. Geeze, I know that's a CRAZY idea ( :rolleye: ), but I thought it would be the right thing to do.
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Wow that's upsetting, he was a really cool guy. I watched his show like all the time and stuff. And now for my little snide remarks. Rachel, I think you're kind of being a bitch, I mean this guy died, and you're going off calling him an idiot and such. I mean it wasn't idiotic at all it's called informing the public, it's very educational. It was not all about 'jumping on crocs' as you so elquently put it. It was more a hands on approach that taught you something about wildlife without making it seem damn boring. I don't want you to be offended or anything but you could react a little bit more somber or a little bit less...enthusiastic about the matter, seems like a really crappy way to act really. I mean no offense by the way.
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Hey, nobody's talking shit of the guy. It's pretty much understood that he has brought some massive awareness towards the wildlife.

It just that I'm surprised that the words "I never expected this to happen" could be read in this thread. It's not like we all had stopwatches timing this shit, but as far as comparisons to firefighters and smokers go (which IMHO, are completely different things) I still have the same sentiment. It is something that is likely to happen. And just because I feel this way does not in any way mean I'm not saddened by his death and sorry for his family.

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Old 05-09-2006, 03:07   #35
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Hey, nobody's talking shit of the guy. It's pretty much understood that he has brought some massive awareness towards the wildlife.

It just that I'm surprised that the words "I never expected this to happen" could be read in this thread. It's not like we all had stopwatches timing this shit, but as far as comparisons to firefighters and smokers go (which IMHO, are completely different things) I still have the same sentiment. It is something that is likely to happen. And just because I feel this way does not in any way mean I'm not saddened by his death and sorry for his family.

There's no intention of offending anybody here.
I hope I wasn't misunderstood...What I meant to get across is that Steve's death was a shock to me because it was so sudden. *How* he died wasn't so much a shock to me since he died doing what he loved--interacting with wildlife. I don't think anyone who knows who Steve Irwin is, is shocked at how he died, just maybe that he *did* die at such a young age of 44 since he seemed almost invincible, you know? I still can't believe he's gone just because I've looked up to him for the past eight years, not because I didn't think anything would happen to him. Wow. I still feel so bad for his kids, especially Bindi since he was filming a documentary for her when this happened.

As I watch CNN right now, I feel horrible for his friend John since he has to keep telling the story over and over again to all the interviewers. I remember when I had to tell everyone in my family about what happened when I had to put my dog down and that tore me up inside...I can't imagine what John's going through describing this over and over.
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Yea sad what happen, but i am not shocked by it. What he was doing, was risky, and he took that risk and that was the cause of his demise. Also, bad things happen. His death is no different then say someone dying in a car crash.

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I'm not shocked. It's slightly ironic though. Only the second death related to stingrays in Australia, or something? Amazing.

About the guy... I have mixed feelings towards him. He indeed brought a lot of awareness towards wildlife and I loved his endless enthusiasm, but at the same time I always got the feeling he was badgering animals somewhat. I doubt those crocs enjoyed being dragged by their tails or lizards picked up from the trees to be showcased infront of the camera. I much more appreciated those types of documentaries where animals are being filmed from the distance, not being disturbed by the hand of man. Though I think he meant to cause no harm or discomfort to the animals and he genuinely loved wildlife I still can't shake of that feeling that he was too intruding.

That being said though. Respect to him. RIP.
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In all honesty , I only enjoy glimpses of wildlife from very very afar .
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Ooook, I'm gonna make myself late for work, but what the hell...

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Rachel, I think you're kind of being a bitch, I mean this guy died, and you're going off calling him an idiot and such. I mean it wasn't idiotic at all it's called informing the public, it's very educational. It was not all about 'jumping on crocs' as you so elquently put it. It was more a hands on approach that taught you something about wildlife without making it seem damn boring.
I just don't like his approach. The best ever wildlife documentaries have had no "hands on approach". Imagine we were the crocs, how would you like to be jumped on & grabbed? I'm sorry but that kind of behaviour has consequences. And I'm not the one bringing the other person's private life into this discussion That is making it personal.

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About the guy... I have mixed feelings towards him. He indeed brought a lot of awareness towards wildlife and I loved his endless enthusiasm, but at the same time I always got the feeling he was badgering animals somewhat. I doubt those crocs enjoyed being dragged by their tails or lizards picked up from the trees to be showcased infront of the camera. I much more appreciated those types of documentaries where animals are being filmed from the distance, not being disturbed by the hand of man.
Exactly my thoughts Freddie. The reason I didn't like him is because I love animals.
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Granted the crocs most likely didn't enjoy getting jumped on, it was necessary for their survival. Most of the crocs he filmed were ones that had to be relocated from the area because they were "problem crocs" and faced certain death from the locals if Steve & his crew didn't relocate them. In that case, I'm sure the crocs would rather survive and put up with some people jumping on them for a little bit.

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The reason I didn't like him is because I love animals.
I love animals too, and I love Steve! I even have a bachelor's degree in biology with concentration in field work (aka working with animals). I used to be a park interpreter for a state park, which meant I was the person you see giving programs to the public. It was my job to go out and catch snakes, skinks, turtles, etc., and then give programs on them. Did those animals enjoy me catching them and showing them to the public? Probably not.

But you know what? I probably inadvertantly saved not only their lives, but their kin and other members of their species by doing that. How? Do you think most of the people that attended my programs saw a live snake up close before that moment I held it on my arm, without being terrified? Before that program, most people would purposely swerve to hit a snake on the road or automatically chop a snake's head off if it was in their yard, simply because they didn't know if the snake was venemous or not; they just assumed that it would kill them. But because I took the time to catch that snake and educate people about it right there where they could observe a real live one in action, it made them think twice. It put the thought in their head, "Look at this lady! She has a 5 foot black snake on her arm and it's not trying to bite her or kill her! I don't need to kill this cute little snake just because it's in my yard. I'll let this little bugger go since it will eat the field mice!"

People fear what they don't know, that's a fact. If you can teach people about something, then they can love it. If they love it, they want to save it.

Is that worth getting an up close experience with an animal for a few moments? Absolutely, in my opinion.

Is it best for everyday people to observe wildlife from a distance? Without a doubt! If you see an animal on a trail, just stop and admire its beauty from where you are. Don't approach it, for your own safety and for the animal's. There's no point in catching wildlife just to say that you've caught it...it's inconsiderate for the animal. Basically, I condone Steve's way of approaching wildlife because he was using that experience to educate millions of people across the world. You may not agree with his approach, and that's fine. However, his message was strong and whether people thought he was a bit loopy or over enthusiastic doesn't matter--what matters is that he got people thinking twice about animals (not just the cute cuddley ones, but that ones that could kill ya!) and got them to *care.* *That* is an accomplishment.
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