should we allow expression of extremism on this forumboard

[Echoed]

Like I said. It's a matter of sensitivity. I'm not saying that "blacks" are right to be so racist. But they're just very defensive about it. And their defensiveness has been warped into racism. However, again, not all of "them" are like that.

Anywho, I'm not out to change people's opinions on whatever it may be. ^_^ I've spoken mine, so I'll just sit back an' relax now.

~Echo.

[Silenced Sonix]

White folk introduced slavery, yes, but why was South Africa the only one to be punished and discriminated against by the rest of the world? Back then, nobody abroad wanted to remeber the fact that "aparthied" had been introduced in the early 1920's, an era when the South Africa was still pretty much part of the British Empire, and thus under magnate of the Queen. But she never took any flak about aparthied and rasicm, did she?

South Africa wasn't the only country to have aparthied - in America and England, they just called it "Segregation" - virtually a direct translation of the Afrikaans word "apartheid".

Look at any of the countries in Africa - all run by blacks, all dirt poor, most over-run by civil war. South Africa is the only "rich" country in Africa, for one f***ing reason - the evil, white regime had left behind a perfect superstructure and economy for the load of blacks that came in afterwards to take over. What happened? Our currency fucked up, our foreign relations are all fucked up (we're selling industrial equipment to Saddam to make biological weapons) and millions of blacks are dying every day of AIDS, something they say was made by aparthied... how STUPID could you possibly get?!

[Echoed]

I don't know. I can't really judge being that I'm not living what you are, as you said. Although, if Afrika hadn't been colonized at all, maybe it would have turned out better. Obviously, this is a BIG FAT "What If" that would lead nowhere.

But, frankly, I don't perceive their attitude as being their fault or anything. They just suck at governing. :P Maybe this is the only way they know how to do things. It's hard to change. Doesn't happen overnight. Besides, again, I'm sure there are other ways to deal with this, other than taking out a missile launcher and blasting them all into oblivion. Lol.

Anywho, I have nothing more productive to say, so I'm removing myself from this conversation. ^_^' Meep.

~Echo.

[Silenced Sonix]

NO! Don't go! I need someone sane to talk to!


Echoed? Help?

[Echoed]

Be back in a while. I need to go make me some food and nourrish myself. :P

Meanwhile, talk amongst... yourself? Or something.

~Echo.

[Silenced Sonix]

We're the only people here - I think the others went to sleep or something... HOLY SH*T! It's 2:06 am! Errm, methinks I need to pass out now too.

Anyway, thanks for keeping me company throught all those *checks timer* SIX HOURS?! Right... cya later!

[rosh]

silenced sonix it seems youre forgetting about our neighbour, botswana, who has gone from being one of the poorest countries in the world to a middle-income country these days. in fact if memory serves me correctly, they, and not sa, are regarded as the best credit risk in Africa.

the former regime did not leave behind a "perfect superstructure and economy for the load of blacks that came in afterwards to take over". in fact we can thank them for many of the problems encountered by the present south african government. not all the problems of course, but many of them.

whereas corruption was/is a known factor common to both regimes, the difference is, we actually know when its taking place these days. before we had a govenment run media that didnt hesitate to hide anything and everything it deemed to be incriminating.

another thing to bear in mind, is that many members of parliament of the previous government were squirreling money away into overseas bank accounts - helping to bleed the south african economy dry.

apartheid was responsible for "bantu education" - essentially ensuring that black people and people of colour got as pathetic an "education" as possible. so if you want to label black and coloured people as "stupid" and "brain dead" theres your main reason.

you cannot undo the "evils" of a government in place for many many years, in the space of 9 years [the period of time the democratically elected government of south africa has been in place]. remember, the ANC [african national congress] not only has to deal with the current inherent problems of south africa, but also the ones left behind after decades and decades of abuse by the NP [national party] and its predeccesors.

mind sets arent changed overnight either. it was a goal of the NP to ensure that all people of colour were not only treated as animals and lesser beings, but to make them think that of themselves as well - and how well they succeeded.

if things are going to change in south africa tho, everyone needs to realise there is no such things as racial superiority and that every human being, no matter how smart or not so smart, rich, poor, educated or uneducated, is equal - and that we are entitled to the same core things. in essence i think this goes for the rest of the world too.

and these are my thoughts.

[Rabocop]

duh, i really hate nazism, but damn, this is a free forum, so let him do what he want

[Rabocop]

btw silenced, i really love Metallica, i went in one concert here in vigo

and damn, the new album of system of a down is awesome..

and therion, and helloween, and hammerfall, and blind guardian, and tatu :-P... all rocks

[Silenced Sonix]

C'mon, no other Nazi supporters on this entire forum? I'm disappointed!

[Echoed]

Your disappointment is duly noted, however, being that we're open-minded due to t.A.T.u.'s image and message, a Nazi state of mind is slightly out of place. It's restrictive in the fact that it promotes the rising of a single "pure" race. Evidently, the majority of us are of different ethnicities. As such, it is obvious that there would be very litte Nazi supporters here. Other than yourself, of course.

^_^

~Echo.

[goku]

But really though... Each person deep down inside doesn't care about others, only the survival of him/her self and their family line...

[luxxi]

Originally posted by Silenced Sonix
C'mon, no other Nazi supporters on this entire forum? I'm disappointed!

Considering majority of t.A.T.u. fans are Russians and E Europeans you shouldn't be that surprised.

[Jan]

luxxi:
Well, there are some Nazis in Russia too, you know.

[Silenced Sonix]

Gods... I've been poisoned...

[Synista]

Why can't people just get along? SS here is a Neo-Nazi, I'm a Marxist/Socialist and I don't recalling us arguing. He wanted to use a swastika back on our forums, but I asked him to take it off because some people might take offense to it because of it's reputation.
I, personally am not the communist kind of person (I don't 'like' people) but I still agree with the 'Theory'. Hitler was very clever, but he should have used the cleverness in another way.

Sorry for going off topic there.. thread got too long after a while

[goku]

Why can't people tolerate others? I have no problems with anyone here, and I hope I never do.

Just as long as we respect each other's opinions, and we keep others in mind before we go posting, what is the problem with diversity?

[Synista]

Well some adminitstrators here (name starts with "k", ends with "atbeidar") don't allow us to express ourselves. They freely edit/delete our posts, which are sometimes quite long and thoughtful. No respect whatsoever.

[Echoed]

How subtle of you. :P

However, it is understandable. Anyway.

Back on topic as to extremism and whatnot.

~Echo.

[Silenced Sonix]

Yes, exactly...
So, what is the final verdict on extremism? Allowed or not? Apart from Echoed, I would enjoy perhaps a comment from katbeidar on this topic *hint hint*