The rights of animals (discussion)

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by the unforgiven

btw, who can judge if somebody deserves to die? I'm not sure we are (I mean human in general)

Human? You're singleing us out here which shouldn't be done - we are animals just as rabbits. The guy judged the rabbit should die when he shot it. There is no difference.

[the unforgiven]

I mean humans can't judge if someone deserve to die, same for rabbits or any animal
it's just crazy to kill somebody (humans, animals or aliens ...) but it's also crazy to harass people like that!!
some humans are dumb, they did stupid things etc etc
but it's life, we can't change the world with "a blink of an eye"
so I can't understand why anti-hunting guys call this family, what did they think? that it'll change something?
it's not really clever, if people wanna change general state of mind and stuff I'm not sure they will manage with "stupid" phone calls

[Mary-sheccid]

Not neither the rabbit, nor the boy were deserving to die, both are a part of the life.

I feel it for his family, is sad when someone that you love dies.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by the unforgiven

so I can't understand why anti-hunting guys call this family, what did they think? that it'll change something?

It's called revenge. Making a phone call is nothing compared to taking a life.

Plus, it keeps this event for longer in the spotlight.

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by Rachel

It's called revenge. Making a phone call is nothing compared to taking a life.

one rabbit died (one or more?)
one guy died
that's enough, isn't it?
sometimes I can understand revenge but I really think it's too cruel
may be I'm a lil' bit naive, but I'm not sure I could live happily while knowing I'm an asshole who just likes revenge !!

Plus, I'm not sure that these anti-hunting callers know this guy, he may be a "great" guy (ok he shooted rabbits) who may help old people to buy groceries or these kind of stuff
so, I just ask : who the hell are they to call and said that he deserved to die? who the hell are they to say that they have the right to do that in the name of "holy revenge"?
that's sick

Offtop:
ok, I'm naïve but it's my point of view ... don't wanna agree or else

[Rachel]

the unforgiven, you make me both laugh & feel frustrated. I was going to reply but then I thought "what is the point?" because we are going round in circles and are obviously never gonna agree.

[Kyro]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Making a phone call is nothing compared to taking a life.

But will it help? It's just a harsh reminder to the parents that their son has just died, and if anything it will turn people who don't yet have a full opinion against the activists. How can that be a good thing?

Originally Posted by Rachel

Plus, it keeps this event for longer in the spotlight.

I guess that is the one good thing about it. People need to be made aware of and made to think about things like this.

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by Rachel

the unforgiven, you make me both laugh & feel frustrated. I was going to reply but then I thought "what is the point?" because we are going round in circles and are obviously never gonna agree.

we agree on it Rachel lol
I just said to myself that I'm not continue to answer
btw, my english sucks and I can't explain what I really have in mind
happy to make you laugh,it's the same here (I mean you make me laugh)

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by Kyro

But will it help? It's just a harsh reminder to the parents that their son has just died, and if anything it will turn people who don't yet have a full opinion against the activists. How can that be a good thing?

Honestly I don't think anyone's opinion is gonna change because of this, people usually have formed a view.

And quite honestly I don't really care if some people turn against activists, it won't change what we, yes I said we, are doing. Rabbits don't have a voice so someone has to do something.

Maybe this will scare people off shooting animals because they may catch something, that can only be a good thing

I'm going out to see my g/f now, so whatever replies there are I'll reply to later

[Mary-sheccid]

Rachel, Unforgiven. i respect your opinions!..
but please, stop!.. nobody have the absolutly truth..

[Rachel]

Before I go, have a look at this. I'd like to see someone pull his or her's nails off.

[the unforgiven]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Before I go, have a look at this. I'd like to see someone pull his or her's nails off.

I totally agree, it's just so horrible!! the man/woman who had done that is a total freak!!

[Mary-sheccid]

that´s sad!... i fee me bad for that...

[freddie]

I don't support condemning people to death, even if it's sick fucks like animal torturers etc. Talion law is never a good thing. This is exactly the humanity that seperates us from them. After we start killing people who kill kittens where do we end up? An eye for an eye and no more human then they are. I'm not saying they don't deserve strict punishment - even jail-time. Yet as a pacifist I can't support these cries for public linching. I want to remain human. Something they failed to do by being cruel to animals. I won't let them degrade me to their level though.

[the unforgiven]

freddie I agree with you, totally, definitely etc etc

Originally Posted by freddie

Talion law is never a good thing.

that's what I tried to say

[Kyro]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Before I go, have a look at this. I'd like to see someone pull his or her's nails off.

That seems to me almost worse than shooting the rabbits. At least the guy who shot the rabbit thought he had a good reason to (not that I believe that justifies it in any way), whereas this is just mindless cruelty. People like that truelly deserve to suffer intolerable pain

[Winkie]

I believe in neither to be quite honest with you. I don't believe we have evolved from monkeys cause if we evolved from them there wouldn't be monkeys around wouldn't it? That's quite obvious, unless you can give an explanation as to why one form of species only evolved and others wouldn't. If so, why didn't the dolhpins evolve in a similar way? We had this discussion before in the forum and the conclusion is that the Darwinist theory can simply offer no explanation other than that it is some kind of "fluke". And as the condition of life on the planet is governed by universal laws, you can't just assume that one form of life evolved in such a way because there were special conditions they had to adapt to. Humans are anatomically close to being defenceless creatures - food prey, as others - yet they're not. Their have cognition not only to defend themselves with but conquer the planet. This is not something you can simply "evolve" into.

Right, now I know for sure you're stupid. Sorry to say it, but it's true. freddie: No personal insults, please.
We DID evolve from monkeys, or you have to believe we evolved from dolphins. We have 95% of our genes in common with monkeys, and 90% with dolphins. Which option do you prefer?
I don't know if you ever went to school, but try to follow some biology lessons, if you ever make it there. It might teach you a thing or two. Like Darwin, or why birds and other animals may look a lot like some other animals who live on the complete other side of the world. Thinking of that, try to follow history too, and think about the "Jura" time, and other historical important periods, long long long ago before human beings appeared.
We did evolve. We simply didn't stop when we were supposed to. We always want more.

I don't believe in the bible stories either, because it's as simple as you have put it: they don't accept the existence of other forms of life out there, and also because their whole belief system is based on morality, in do's and donts - something which is highly subjective. But as there is probably a little truth in Darwinism - it might not be adequate to explain human evolution but does explain a lot about how animals might have evolved - that's why you see so many different variations of animal species, they adapt to the environment they live in order to survive - I also believe that there is a little truth in religion as well, I mean the notion of the spirit exists in all belief-systems, and so does the notion of superior beings, who may have come in contact with earth. ( well, in religion it's God, of course, who is "extraterrestrial". )
Science accepts it as well: while religion provides us moral teachings by which a person's spirit will be "saved" after the earthly life is ceased, scientists are simply trying to build a vessel that will enable us to make contact with the gods that exist out there.

Soo basically you're saying animals did evolve by Darwin's theory but humans did not? Where are we from then? You don't believe in a God, you don't believe in a evolution theory. What do you believe in? Do you think this is all just a dream or something. God. You're even more confusing than me.

Cat story:
That is just horrible. I completely agree with that. I don't understand WHY people want to torture animals all the time. It starts when they are kids, they have to tease other kids at school. When they grow older they torture animals and when they have kids of their own they mistreat them and beat them.. :S Sick bastards..

[QueenBee]

The anti-hunting activists are total dumbasses... calling the guy's parents and saying those things? That's just stupid. They lost their son, and it's not their fault that he killed that rabbit, they shouldn't be the new victims. But those other articles are completely sick, I can't even read them in full... I hope those people are put in jail and never released.

[the unforgiven]

Offtop:

Originally Posted by the unforgiven

ok, I'm naïve but it's my point of view ... don't wanna agree or else

I just quote myself cuz' I just realized I made a mistake loool I don't wanna write "agree" I wanna write "argue" ... sorry for the misunderstanding

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by QueenBee

...and it's not their fault that he killed that rabbit

Once again I totally disagree with you. They are brought up that way - they have probably been hunting for generations, so to say it wasn't their parents fault is complete rubbish. In the article I posted it already showed their feelings on shooting rabbits.