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Old 09-05-2007, 14:29   #141
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McCain doesn't want to pull out of Iraq and Gulianni is both pro-choice and gay friendly; the Republican base wouldn't like any of that.

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Old 09-05-2007, 16:12   #142
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The Republicans will probably lose in 2008 regardless of the Democratic nominee unless the Iraq war does a near-complete 180 in the next month or two.

From the elephant's mouth: If there isn't viable progress by the fall months, the Republicans will not be able to stay cohesive and support the President.

The lack of cohesion on the Democrats' part was part of the reason they were ousted from power for so long, and it sure wouldn't help the Republicans...

Or.... the Republicans could stay firmly behind the President and his ridiculous foreign policies until 2008, in which case the country will be even more sick of "keeping the course" that they'll elect a Green party President before another Republican.

So either way, Republicans are in for a hell of a next couple years unless Iraq suddenly quells.

And it isn't looking good for the GOP when the President keeps vetoing war spending bills (He just threatened one the Dems proposed two days ago). HE'S the one keeping the money from the troops by being a stubborn crybaby, not the Congress.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:08   #143
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The only hope the Republicans have of winning in 2008 is if Giuliani wins the nomination... he is the only one that can bring in the Independent vote which is heavily against the War at the moment, and for the most part Pro-choice.

Of course the Republicans will do what the Democrats did in 2000 and 2004, kill their best candidate. McCain will not win unless he distances himself from Bush, which doesn't seem likely.

Romney will just be painted as a bigger flip-flopper than Kerry ever was by Both parties, so he doesn't have a prayer.

Seriously, Spy what papers do you read? The GOP has been fucked since October 2006. The Dems have control of congress are conducting numerous inquiries at the moment... things are not getting any better for the "Grand Old Party".
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:41   #144
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Not only will the Americans not going to vote a woman or an African American in office - like the French didn't - the Democrats are very well capable of messing things up even further with their stupidity.
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Old 15-05-2007, 21:12   #145
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Old 16-05-2007, 00:14   #146
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I don't think so... Maybe we'll get lucky and the religious right wing will fall apart... they certainly seem to be lossing a lot of their top people.
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Old 27-08-2008, 04:17   #147
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Hillary Clinton's speech at the Democratic Convention was one of the most inspiring, uplifting and truthful speeches I have ever heard. Talk about mind blowing.
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Old 30-08-2008, 05:56   #148
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What's the people's opinion on McCain's choice of VPILF? Suddenly I can just see the election being a much closer run, just for that exact reason.
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Old 31-08-2008, 01:15   #149
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What's the people's opinion on McCain's choice of VPILF?
VPILF?!

Anyhoo, I think it's pathetic and desparate. Looks like they bought the whole disillusioned Clinton supporters crossing over hook, line and sinker and are trying to capitilise on it. This is tokenism pure and simple, if McCain was serious about running with a woman he should've picked a seasoned politician like Senator Kay Bailey-Hutchison of Texas. Palin was just governor of Alaska for what, like 18 months? And before that, mayor of a town that had a population of around 5000. I don't know, maybe she'll really shine during the convention or the debates (though I doubt it, Biden will wipe her clean), I just think that there was no real reason to pick her other than to attract Clinton's supporters. All I know is had she been a man I doubt they would even let her into the RNC, let alone offer her the VP spot.

Anyway, I guess now whoever wins it'll be at the very least historic for the US.
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Old 31-08-2008, 02:52   #150
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VPILF?!
Hahaha, yeah? Vice President I'd Like to Fuck All the channels on youtube that like to comment american politics call her a VPILF, and seriously, I think she's been chosen partly because of her outer qualities. She's the charismatic and beautiful face that will pull some of the more one-dimensional voters, while McCain deals the experience.

It would surprise me a little if Obama wouldn't win either way, but I think it's a pretty clever choice by McCain - even if it's NO shocker that he'd choose a woman... There might be other better women he could've chosen, but I don't think this choice is the worst he could've done. I think he was more or less forced to choose a woman either way. Just another old white man wouldn't draw any attention at all.

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Old 31-08-2008, 06:48   #151
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Oi Vey, I think it is utterly HYSTERICAL that McCain, who has been questioning Obama's Foreign Policy Credentials, picks a woman who has barely ANY political experience. Is a Freshmen governor of one of the least populous states in the Union and also Mayor of a town with fewer then 9,000 people where their biggest concern is whether or not it will snow enough for dog sledding races. She has ZERO foreign policy experience and if you look at her positions (Sarah Palin on the Issues) she doesn't have an opinion, let alone a solution or policy for 90% of the actual issues in this election.

The Republicans are done, over, finished. Especially after the speech Obama gave the other day. I had goose bumps the entire time I was listening to that speech. Finally we have a presidential candidate that actually understands what it truly means to be an American and what actually makes our country so Great. If Obama wins, I will be proud to say, no scream, that I am an American.
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Old 02-09-2008, 00:10   #152
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The result of Palin's abstinence only program.
Heckuva job Palin!

God, why do I get the really uneasy feeling that no matter how unqualified, hypocritical, scandal-ridden this woman is, McCain will still win the election? The Evangelicals haven't said anything yet, probably still trying to get over the initial shock (though people have been speculating for a while that the youngest child, Trig, is actually Bristol's baby too), but they'll just say how brave the girl was for keeping the child... which is so convenient seeing as how she's from a well-to-do family unlike most unwed teenage mothers.

But what I think is the biggest crime in all this is that Gov. Palin name her children Bristol, Willow, Track and Trig.....

Track and Trig?
Are those even names for children or classes you take in high scool?


RE: VPILF
dradeel, I did know what it meant and was just aghast that she was called that. But now in hindsight I see that it is downright fitting. After all the progress women have made, particularly in politics, particularly with Clinton as this formidable force (though I would argue that she wouldn't have done it without Bill), this is what is what the US ends up with? Experienced, unquestionably qualified women are passed up for women who are aesthetically pleasing and fertile? Palin, whose career is thanks in large part to a feminism she abhors; she's against equal pay for equal work, advocates for patriarchy though she doesn't participate in it, among other things.
I swear, McCain could not have made a bigger slap to feminism.
This is quite a feat.

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Old 02-09-2008, 06:47   #153
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Haha

Why do these things ALWAYS happen to republicans? And how can they be so proficient at talking it down so quickly? I'm totally convinced no one will remember this come election day. I even think it's something that might backfire on the democrats if they intend to exploit it.

In other news... the almighty seems to be siding with democrats this year.
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Old 02-09-2008, 14:14   #154
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Hehehe, yeah. Well, I didn't understand it right away allthough I didn't know they were talking about a VP candidate though. But yeah, in general it's bad for politics, but still a dangerous tactical move by the Republicans, cause I bet there are some that will vote with their other head + the ones voting simply because she's a woman... And with a pretty face she'll have charisma towards everyone, even if she's inexperienced. It's probably among the best choices McCain could've done, even though it to me seems like just another reason not to vote for him. Hehe.

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Old 03-09-2008, 18:18   #155
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It's probably among the best choices McCain could've done...
I honestly think it was the stupidest decision he could have ever made and it pretty much highlights what bad judgement he has if this was his choice which according to this article, it wasn't.
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Why do these things ALWAYS happen to republicans? And how can they be so proficient at talking it down so quickly?
Well, it doesn't always happen to them but they are the only ones who superficially touts for "family values" so the schadenfreude is just so much sweeter when this kind of shit does happen to the GOP. I wouldn't say they are good at downplaying it, the Dems don't attack but there really is no need to, Republicans always manage to sink their own ship. It's with everything else, the Dems fail.

Man, the US elections just got sooooo much more interesting.
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Old 03-09-2008, 19:07   #156
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I'm quite used to jokes in politics, but can anybody tell me why the Reps chose Palin, who
1. gives her children names resembling comic figures
2. lives in a heavily overcrowded state, which will add at least how many votes to McCain?
3. doesn't know what a VP has to do
4. has met the wannabe president only once before
5. is involved in an abuse of position case
etc.

How do the Reps choose their candidates? Did they draw her from a number pool? How come that the majority of delegates approve? McCain isn't much of a spellbinding speaker, does she have her qualities in this field? What ARE her qualities? Has she a rich uncle who showers the party with regular big donations? Do the Reps take the election serious?
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I honestly think it was the stupidest decision he could have ever made and it pretty much highlights what bad judgement he has if this was his choice which according to this article, it wasn't.
You're right... seems like it wasn't among the smartes choices after all. Hehehe. But only time will tell if it will turn out "good" or "bad" for McCain, cause I'm not sure whether her daughter's mess or her own historic mess will bring any harm to their campaign. It's typically christian conservative to be quick on the trigger to criticize others while repelling any recieved criticism of the same nature. Palin will probably be immortal to any such attacks from Democrats through the campaign, yet still attract some voters because she's a woman with a neat face. However, I assume she will be frequently shot at by the media It'll be fun to see how things evolve. Hahaha.
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I'm quite used to jokes in politics, but can anybody tell me why the Reps chose Palin, who
1. gives her children names resembling comic figures
2. lives in a heavily overcrowded state, which will add at least how many votes to McCain?
3. doesn't know what a VP has to do
4. has met the wannabe president only once before
5. is involved in an abuse of position case
etc.

How do the Reps choose their candidates? Did they draw her from a number pool? How come that the majority of delegates approve? McCain isn't much of a spellbinding speaker, does she have her qualities in this field? What ARE her qualities? Has she a rich uncle who showers the party with regular big donations? Do the Reps take the election serious?
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She has a vagina. The end.


They're trying to appeal to Hillary's supporters.
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Old 04-09-2008, 19:06   #159
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She has a vagina. The end.


They're trying to appeal to Hillary's supporters.
I'm not so into US elections in general (those which are not covered by international media), but are there really persuasive precedents that it ever worked?
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I'm not so into US elections in general (those which are not covered by international media), but are there really persuasive precedents that it ever worked?
Not one. That's what's so funny about it. She was only picked becuase she's a woman. On top of that, she has no experience with foreign policy, comes from one of the most sparsely populated states in the union, and...has a knocked up daughter for the rest of America to devour. Haha!
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