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Old 03-06-2006, 13:31   #21
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about kids not being able to tell reality and movies apart - honestly I think if a kid can't do that then they were gonna be a little screwed in the head anyway. Obviously these kids would have had no common sense in the first place.
O come on , Rachel ! You want to say that 12 y.o. kid watching the porn with 3-4 people in the scene shagging the brains of each other out , slapping the bitch for good measure , orally , through the anus and etc , so that kid is going to have the same reaction as grown-up ? could he be that in control with his reactions , emotions , understandings the whole thing as an adult ? Yeah , right ...I'm sure !
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Well, I saw all that at 12...and I like to think I'm relatively normal

It hasn't hurt me in any way.

I don't understand parents - they think letting their kids play violent games on the PSPs but porn is a big "no-no". Where is the consistency? Violence hurts people more than sex. (Unless we are talking about unconsented sex)

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Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with children watching porn and playing violent TV-games. I know I did a bit of both when I was younger and I'm totally normal... Right?
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Old 03-06-2006, 14:44   #24
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Hmm...
I'll be the first to admit that I'm hypocritical in my attitudes towards sex and violence. I really don't think violence on tv and such is really all that harmful. Only in that people are taught at a really young age that violence is not the way to resolve conflicts and so they can clearly see violence in films, tv and video games as something unrealistic. Not so much with sex. Particularly in the States where sex is not discussed at all in the classroom or at least the best thing they can preach is abstinence (good luck with all that!), it would very difficult for people to see what can be expected and what cannot usually be excepted from sex.
This may be completely different from how sex is taught in Europe. So my observations are just limited to countries with no sex education.

Maybe just letting adults only is a little too restricting. But I still stand by that children should learn about sex in a more appropriate setting first.

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Old 03-06-2006, 15:02   #25
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But it is porn, what else are men in porn going to use women for?
Same goes for women, doesn't it? As you say ... it's porn.
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I'm not arguing that that the industry is abusing women (maybe back in the seventies, certainly not now). Just that the images themselves and how it is structured is pretty sexist.
Yeah, true, but you only see that in the hard core movies. In soft core movies they tend to be more "gentle", if you could use that word. They tend to make it more erotic and sensual...
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I don't understand parents - they think letting their kids play violent games on the PSPs but porn is a big "no-no". Where is the consistency? Violence hurts people more than sex. (Unless we are talking about unconsented sex)

People are hypocrites.
True, people are hypocrites, but games with violence doesn't hurt kids, and honestly many kids find everything that has to do with sex and such for something ugly (ugly isn't the best word. I had complete blackout .. but you know what i mean. hehehe), so they wouldn't watch that to the same degree as some tough action hero. Either way, if kids want to see these things they'll be able to do it without the parents knowing it, and I don't think it will help if you stop it. If I ever get kids, I won't stop them from watching the movies they want or the games they want ... as I parent I'll always be abit protective when it comes to some extremeties, but if they wanna explore these fields it's totally ok for me.

- Anyways, I saw porn when I was 12, and I like to think that I've done pretty ok. I've never raped anyone, I don't think porn shows the reality as it is, I don't do violent sex and I'm not the one who's that keen on getting blowed either. Hmm... Shouldn't I be a gang-banging girl-slapping jerk since I've watched porn since I was that young?
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Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with children watching porn and playing violent TV-games. I know I did a bit of both when I was younger and I'm totally normal... Right?
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:35   #26
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I don't understand parents - they think letting their kids play violent games on the PSPs but porn is a big "no-no". Where is the consistency? Violence hurts people more than sex.
well,a big "no-no" for both of them. Is it ok now??
In my opinion kids have to be kids and act as their own age.
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:37   #27
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well,a big "no-no" for both of them. Is it ok now??
Well, at least it's consistant.

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In my opinion kids have to be kids and act as their own age.
You can't stop kids viewing stuff though. It is their choice to download etc something. No one forced me into downloading porn!
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:47   #28
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Kids have never really acted their age... at least until they reach a certain age, and we're not talking about 6 year olds here, right? Back in the oooooooooooold days, children got jobs when they were 13 - now they do drugs instead, and watch porn.

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You can't stop kids viewing stuff though. It is their choice to download etc something.
Saying "No" NEVER freaking works with kids... they always do the opposite! My parents preached all my life about how bad smoking is for you, and look at me now.

I think in the long run every person will do what he or she wants to do. Kids view porn 'cause they find it exciting (not necessarily arousing) and since it's "forbidden" for them, they want to watch it even more, to see what all the fuss is about and to feel that they are doing something they "shouldn't".
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:52   #29
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Hah, I'm the same, Queenie. They actually think that right now I've given up Riiiiight

Sex is something natural so I don't see why there is such a taboo surrounding it. Just like nudity on TV. It's a freaking piece of your body. People have gotta remember that before we evolved we didn't wear clothes either. In the end we are just animals too. People need to get over it!
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:53   #30
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You can't stop kids viewing stuff though. It is their choice to download etc something. No one forced me into downloading porn!
Yes, they can it's their choice.But not a good stuff for the kids.
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:55   #31
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Yes, they can it's their choice.But not a good stuff for the kids.
That's what society has told you! Just like how society makes a big issue on nudity!
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Old 03-06-2006, 16:58   #32
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That's what society has told you!
No,that's my own idea.That's what I find it right.
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Saying "No" NEVER freaking works with kids... they always do the opposite!
That's why,there has to be a rule to ban them.since they are not mature enough to recognize what is right and what isnt.
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Old 03-06-2006, 17:15   #33
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That's why,there has to be a rule to ban them.since they are not mature enough to recognize what is right and what isnt.
Since when has banning ever worked? What we said just proved it doesn't work.
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Old 03-06-2006, 21:05   #34
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Sex is something natural so I don't see why there is such a taboo surrounding it. Just like nudity on TV. It's a freaking piece of your body. People have gotta remember that before we evolved we didn't wear clothes either. In the end we are just animals too. People need to get over it!
Mhmm... I agree. Nudity is innocent and natural. SEX is (not always innocent, hehehe) also natural. It's how we reproduce ... why should this be some kinda tabu? We owe everything to sex.

It's funny how religion can influence society like that. The sex-tabu is something christianity put upon us here in the west. Would you believe that the catholic church up to some 200 years ago actually ran their own brothels? And now it's all "sex is bad and should only be done after you're married". I'm not quite sure what changed them all along the way, but whatever it is it still "haunts" us. I'll have to watch a couple of episodes of Penn & Teller: Bullshit! to refresh my memory I guess.
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That's why,there has to be a rule to ban them.since they are not mature enough to recognize what is right and what isnt.
As Rachel said; it doesn't work. In the end kids (or whoever) will be able to do what they wanna do, even if you want watchdogs to stay over them 24/7 like some DDR-duplicates. When someone wants to experience something new or is simply curious about something they WILL find ways to find out about it. They may like it or not ... but nothing will stop a curious human from doing what it wants, and that's GOOD!

We should try to be abit more loose on these things. We have several examples in _this_ forum that porn won't hurt your child. It won't become an evil rapist. And we have maaany examples in this forum that volent movies won't hurt your child, for sure. It won't become a serial killer. Me, and many others with me (plus years of years with studies) proves that computer games won't hurt you child ... you should be amazed how well they actually can tell fact from fiction. YES, they will sometimes act that they are "their hero in a movie or a game" - this mostly goes for boys I guess But without their little movie heroes they will find other characters just like them that they can play. They will be pirates and play that they tar'n'feather someone. They will be ninjas that assassinate some general. They will be policemen or soldiers gunning down "bad guys". It's all games. They do not think this is all serious... And when it comes to porn and veeery young children, like 6-7-8 years old, they will find it disgusting and won't watch it. Boys don't even wanna be hugged by girls cause it's "icky". And when they're about 12 they are out of the danger zone imo (if there is one at all)...
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Old 03-06-2006, 22:19   #35
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Since when has banning ever worked? What we said just proved it doesn't work.
No actually it works.not the way as you think but it kinda works.Mankind always wants more if I let you move one step forward, you want to move more but if I say you cant move you will try to move one step.can you understand what I mean?
Who says ruls do not work?? even this site has its own ruls.as far as I know you've banned someone.
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Sex is something natural so I don't see why there is such a taboo surrounding it. Just like nudity on TV. It's a freaking piece of your body. People have gotta remember that before we evolved we didn't wear clothes either. In the end we are just animals too. People need to get over it!
Yeah,it's natural.But that's not for the kids.
And about nudity:well you are free to go out whitout wearing anything.But I dont think you would be feeling alright.Yes,people didnt wear anything before but if they didnt feel that they need it, now we wouldnt wear anything either.so it proves that there was a need for having clothes.
Yeah, we are animals but I dont think other animals are happy with this.
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When someone wants to experience something new or is simply curious about something they WILL find ways to find out about it. They may like it or not ... but nothing will stop a curious human from doing what it wants, and that's GOOD!
Yeah,that's right.but it's such a shame that nowadays kids are curious and willing to experience such things.
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well you are free to go out whitout wearing anything
Actually, no you aren't. On beaches and spots where it's thought that people might be going around topless and such then yeah. But you'll get a fine for doing it out in public in cities and such.
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Yeah,that's right.but it's such a shame that nowadays kids are curious and willing to experience such things.
Why is that? I think it's a good thing that they experience thing on their own. You can say what you want about strong drugs, alchohol and nicotine, but really, if I'd ever catch my son or daughter who are 12 or 13 watching porn on the computer or even come home drunk I wouldn't get angry and yell at them telling them not to. I'd perhaps try to talk to them about it, cause it's when you get angry that they feel distant and won't cooperate with you, but if you talk to them gently they'll feel awkward and be abit more passive and watch themselves abit more.

I would never order them to do this or that, cause I believe that in the end they will do what is best for them. If you act like a watchdog over the kids they won't grow up as independant and strong beings. They'll lack a lot of knowledge to be able to take a stand when they get older. Ignorance is weak, experience is what counts... even if it's good or bad experience, that's the only way you'll learn and be able to give advices to people in the future built on your own experiences, not simple assumptions.
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Rules are made though to prevent people from violating other people's rights and freedoms. Prohibition of anything that doesn't violate other people's right and freedoms is excessive. You're basically telling people what they can and cannot do for themselves and that is, IMHO, an abused of law and order. Banning children from watching porn is excessive. And even if it were illegal, it would impossible to enforce. So it doesn't matter either way, children were/are/and always will be curious and unbelieveably resourceful, they'll figure out a way to get what they want.
Those little bastards.

Nudity is not even an issue. We only need clothes because it freaking suicide to wear nothing in negative 32 degrees celsius weather, plus windchill. If anything there isn't more nudity. I think it is sexist that there's an imbalance of nudity of women in films and not men. I want to see penises (penii? what's the plural for penus?) in films, dagnabit!
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PowerPuff Grrl - Hear, hear! I agree all the way. And more penises in movies? Weeeell I dunno. Heh. It's not like you see any vaginas in movies... There are enough movies where guys show off their muscels and women show their breasts. I guess that's how they balance it Who knows... hehe.
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honestly I think it's the people who buy it who are the ones getting used. They are the ones paying $30 for a few hrs of excitement. It's them that are slaves to their desire.
I use bit torrent… Does that still make me a slave?
But yeah, i agree that in the end it's viewers and not actresses that are being used, porn actresses are the ones actually having fun, getting laid, and making money, while viewers are just spending money and getting a sore arm.

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