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Gangs, Positive or Negative?



View Poll Results: How much do YOU THINK you know about gangs?
They're absolutely Negative 6 60.00%
They're Social Associations like any other 1 10.00%
I don't know enough to answer 3 30.00%
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Old 10-05-2006, 22:33   #21
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Old 10-05-2006, 23:41   #22
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If something is illegal that doesnt mean that's something wrong.Maybe the rule needs changing.
That's true, but as long as it's illegal it will only be done by criminals from gangs, and the protection for these things are given by the same gang ... and not done by payed employees or protected by the police as it would've been if it was legal. As long as criminal syndicates and gangs are doing things it's dangerous and negative .. and therefor wrong. It's not right until it's legalized, which in many cases should be done.

This goes for A LOT of things really.
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Old 11-05-2006, 13:01   #23
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In most of the cases, something illegal is absolutely wrong !,
As you said in most of the cases."most of them isnt all of them."
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But even if something is legal, it doesn't make it right
Yeah,I agree with that.
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You telling me gangs are there to do good deeds?
Yes and No.
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Oh yes, lets legalise murder, what a fantastic friendly act that is
How did you jump to this conclusion??
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Old 11-05-2006, 13:19   #24
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Legalize weed!
That's one example of things that should be legalized, along with a couple of other narcotics as well, and if you throw in prostitution you've pretty much covered the biggest issues which I think should be legalized today. These are things that are controlled by criminals, and therefor is dangerous and not so good for society = negative and wrong. But that's just because it creates more criminals as it's pushing more money into the criminal networks. Smoking weed and having sex for money itself aren't wrong - we're talking about the freedom of yourself and your right to decide over your own body ... -, but it's the way you're getting it that's wrong. Legalizing it is the right thing, and then you can do these things the right way as well.
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Oh yes, lets legalise murder, what a fantastic friendly act that is
Murder is pretty serious. I think there are a lot of stuff between what's legal today and doing something as serious as killing someone that are more suitable for this discussion
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Old 11-05-2006, 14:02   #25
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Gangs and mafias are criminal organizations and they will stay criminal organizations, you can legalize whatever you want and that won't change anything to their criminal activities.

People who join gangs and mafias are people who *want* to be criminals, they want to make a lot of money, fast and easy, and they don't care if they have to rob and murder to get what they want.

If you legalize some of the gangs/mafias activities, that won't make their members become honest workers earning an average living from it. If an activity is legal, it's no longer extremely profitable and they will abandon that activity to switch to other illegal activities where they can make loads of money.
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Old 11-05-2006, 14:25   #26
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Gangs and mafias are criminal organizations and they will stay criminal organizations, you can legalize whatever you want and that won't change anything to their criminal activities.
Well, there are several examples that actually states that if you legalize something that ONLY a criminal organization are dealing with, and there are businesses that will do these things in a secure and proper way, then yes, the criminal activites on that field will go away. Also because a business will have to conquer with the former criminal prices in the beginning. You will get rid of much of the (if not the whole) problem.

There is a "ranch" in Nevada, US, with a legal business of prostitutes. They are employees and work on hours. They check in when they get to work, and strict rules about hygeene and safety are good for the ladies - as they can now go to the police if they get raped while being a prostitute, they have easy access to the equipment and healthcare needed to prevent sexual transfered deseases (as they also get health insurance along with their work aso), and they have working conditions you and me could only dream about.

Girls who choose prostitution would of course choose this alternative before the street. Cause this is a huge selling industry with alot of possibilities. They won't have a problem to get work, as legalization would probably let it grow to new heights. And that's actually good.
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If you legalize some of the gangs/mafias activities, that won't make their members become honest workers earning an average living from it. If an activity is legal, it's no longer extremely profitable and they will abandon that activity to switch to other illegal activities where they can make loads of money.
No, that's right, but it will stop them from recruiting new poeple on that field. That's VERY important... when the different sources for recruiting are taken away from the criminal organizations they will suffer a great deal. What you will be left with are the minor criminals who do common criminal stuff - you'll never get rid of them ... but the really big organizations; if you take away their daily income and their source of recruiting they will cease to excist... or in the changing fase be forced to do major robberies - which will always go straight to hell for them ... which leaves us with the minor criminals which honestly isn't a "big" problem.

Of course, these things are easier to do in western countries, as western/industrial countries could easier face some problems in the changing face. But minor changes show that problems go away, they are not created. So I believe we need to do it on a larger scale as well! The modern civilization, human rights and so on, have been shaped by radical changes --- and we should never be afraid to have more of them!
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:42   #27
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Interesting conversation you guys have going here, I have to say though that I completely agree with dradeel.

Legalization of prohibited substances obviously won't make honest people out of criminals, I'll agree with you there haku, but I don't think that that it'll get them out of the business altogether either. Illegal substances and activities are freaking lucrative businesses, there's money to be made and gangs already have extensive product knowledge and know precisely which demographic of people to aim for. If ever turned legal they have about 30 years of experience surrounding this venture, that is a massive head start on upstart competition. And sure those earnings will be taxed (good for gov't, btw) and regulations will be placed, I think that's something criminals wouldn't mind, it sure beats the hell out of risking life-in-prisonment sentences or death at the hands police, rivals, or your own gang members.

People who join gangs don't necessarily want to be criminals, they want lots of money and power in the easiest, fastest way possible. If criminal life grants them that, then they'll gladly take it. I'm pretty sure that if current gang members had the opportunity, resources and education of the upper class then they'd probably join the corporate world. I'm not saying, of course, that lower-class people become criminals solely because of their social class, that's bullshit, but that people in the corporate world exude the same criminal behaviour as gangsters so I feel gang members would fit in nicely in the corporate world. Your Jeffery Skillings, Benard Ebbers, Dutch Shell, McDonalds, Nike, etc. all have the same psychotic nature as gangsters except what they do is legal... until it is not.

So bring on the West Coast Crack-Cocaine Corporation!
I would sooo buy stocks in that.

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So bring on the West Coast Crack-Cocaine Corporation!
I would sooo buy stocks in that.
Hahahah... hear, hear!
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Your Jeffery Skillings, Benard Ebbers, Dutch Shell, McDonalds, Nike, etc. all have the same psychotic nature as gangsters except what they do is legal... until it is not.
LOL. That's an interesting observation. And quite true at that. I think it all comes down to that fundamental human instinct to prosper no matter what the consequences or how many (sometimes also human) sacrifices and obstacles have to be surpassed. Yet I think there's still some basic difference to criminal gangs and anything that's being brought together legally. Yes, it's true most people use crimina activity to achieve their goals, but there are also people that consider the sheer act of doing something forbiden a drug. A criminal act (beside the obvious possible financial gain) is also a slap in the face to society and that could be a big lure for some individuals. It is one of the basic three phenomenons that contributes to establishments of criminal gangs (besides financial gains and the sense of belonging for those who don't seem to function in a normal society).
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