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Old 06-10-2006, 03:20   #101
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You're forgeting one thing. The volume of the nuclear waste is not important - what's worrying is it's radioactive properties. and we all know realistically at least 30% of produced waste won't be disposed of properly (just a cost of doing business... you have to expect it in any area). Not to mention as emerging markets grow and our energy consumption needs become ridiculously high we'll need a lot more nuclear powerplants to keep the demand happy. Maybe hundreds of times of today's capacities. I still don't think you can just dispose of radioactive waste so elegantly with it having absolutely no impact on the environmet - I've heard chilling tales of radioactive elemets - supposedly stored in safe facilities underground - leaking into waters bellow and eventually into drinking water and water used for irrigation of crop.

I think the main problem here is the fact that most countries who'll need nuke-power in the future are the same countries who are least likely to follow safety procedures. I'm talking mainly about Asian tigers here. Them - along with Russia, Ukraine and quite possibly countries like Iran - will pose a great threat to the eco-system as well as a potencial for another catastrophe of gigantic proportions.
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Old 06-10-2006, 16:27   #102
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freddie, totally agree!

Another thing to think about - what about earthquakes? Of course they are not gonna bury nuclear waste where there is a risk of an earthquake, but the world is constantly changing, therefore somewhere that could be totally safe now may be incredibly dangerous in the future. Are we really that selfish that we can condemn others to death in the future? The same goes for windmills - to be as selfish as to use "it ruins the view" as an excuse not to build them is incredibly self-centrered and it's excuses like this that are condemning the world to total chaos.
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Old 06-10-2006, 17:23   #103
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I've heard chilling tales of radioactive elemets - supposedly stored in safe facilities underground - leaking into waters bellow and eventually into drinking water and water used for irrigation of crop.
Well, that's of course unacceptable. And obviously not following the safety regulations. I dislike that, of course, and it's a pity that some sloppy people will put the whole opportunity we have with nuclear power "in shame".
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Not to mention as emerging markets grow and our energy consumption needs become ridiculously high we'll need a lot more nuclear powerplants to keep the demand happy.
Heh, perhaps, but first you have to come up with an alternative that is just as powerful as nuclear power, with less risks and no pollution. That's hard.. The only thing that can meet our growing energy consumption are nuclear power plants.
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Of course they are not gonna bury nuclear waste where there is a risk of an earthquake, but the world is constantly changing, therefore somewhere that could be totally safe now may be incredibly dangerous in the futur
I can't talk for other than "myself" and my country (as I don't have that much knowledge about geography in other countries) and there are no danger of such disasters to happen in Norway. Yes, the world is constantly changing, but we have no problem with meeting these extremely slow changes. + We're actually storing such waste and have a couple of inactive reactors in Norway today. They're all safe and sound. No problem at all. We have all that takes to build a couple of nuclear power plants, but the political leaders are sceptical... Yet we have extremely expensive electricity prices. "Go Norway and water power!"
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Old 09-10-2006, 16:51   #104
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I can't talk for other than "myself" and my country (as I don't have that much knowledge about geography in other countries) and there are no danger of such disasters to happen in Norway.
You're thinking too short-term.


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Outcry at N Korea 'nuclear test'

North Korea's claim to have successfully carried out a nuclear weapon test underground has sparked international condemnation.

President George W Bush said the US was working to confirm the claim, which he branded a "provocative" act.

He said he and regional leaders agreed North Korea's actions were unacceptable and deserved an immediate response from the United Nations Security Council.

Security Council members are meeting in New York to discuss their reaction.

South Korean media said the test took place in Gilju in Hamgyong province at 1036 (0136 GMT).

But both the US and Japan said they had detected seismic waves. Russia said it was "100% certain" a nuclear test had occurred.

The size of the bomb is uncertain. South Korean reports put it as low as 550 tons of destructive power but Russia said it was between five and 15 kilotons. The 1945 Hiroshima bomb was 12.5-15 kilotons.

BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says North Korea's claimed test does not necessarily mean it has a fully-fledged nuclear bomb or warhead that it can deliver to a target.

'Unpardonable'

In his first public statement, the US president said the North Korean claim "constitutes a threat to international peace and security."

He said he had telephoned Chinese, Japanese, Russian and South Korean leaders, who had all reaffirmed their commitment to a nuclear-free Korean peninsula.

"Once again, North Korea has defied the will of the international community, and the international community will respond," he said.

"The North Korea regime remains one of the world's leading proliferators of missile technology including transfers to Iran and Syria."

Mr Bush added that the development would not help North Korea's "oppressed and impoverished" people, who deserved a better future.

Japan's foreign ministry said Mr Bush and Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe had agreed there should be "decisive UN action".

Mr Abe, currently visiting Seoul, earlier called the claimed test "unpardonable".

The region was "entering a new, dangerous nuclear age", Mr Abe said.

He said Japan and the US would step up co-operation on the missile defence system they began after a North Korean missile test in 1998.

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun said it would be "difficult" to maintain his country's policy of engagement with the North. He feared the move could "spark a nuclear arms build-up in other countries".

The head of the South's intelligence service told lawmakers it had detected more movement at a North Korean test site and he could not rule out further nuclear tests.

In Seoul, about 500 protesters rallied against the claimed test, burning a portrait of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

South Korea has also suspended a scheduled aid shipment of concrete to North Korea.

In an unusually strong statement against its ally, China said the claimed test "defied the universal opposition of international society".

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Beijing says China's statement is an indication of how strongly it is angered by North Korea's action, although Beijing will still be loath to support tougher sanctions against Pyongyang.

'Historic event'

When it announced the test, the North's KCNA media agency described it as an "historic event that brought happiness to our military and people".

It said the test would maintain "peace and stability" in the region and was "a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous, powerful socialist nation". There was no radiation leak, it said.

The development comes three days after the UN Security Council agreed on a formal statement urging North Korea to cancel any planned nuclear test and return to disarmament talks.

Pyongyang pulled out of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003 and has refused for a year to attend talks aimed at ending its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea's official media has long warned that the US was preparing to attack and developing a nuclear capability was the only way to prevent this.

If confirmed, the test would make North Korea the ninth country known to have nuclear weapons.

Source: BBC News

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Old 14-10-2006, 04:12   #105
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It's looking more and more like this "nuclear" test was actually fake, they probably just piled up a big amount of conventional explosives and made a big boom with it. Kim Jong-il is a raging lunatic, lol.
It happened at the same time a South Korean was chosen to become the next UN secretary general, North Korea probably wanted to make a statement or something.
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Old 14-10-2006, 13:49   #106
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US goverment found traces of radiactivity in air measurements around North Korea. This would confirm a nuclear test if true.
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Old 14-10-2006, 16:11   #107
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Yeah, but Japan, South Korea, and China have all said that they haven't detected any radioactivity, so at the moment i am more inclined to believe those who actually live there.

The simple fact that everybody is wondering if that was a nuclear explosion or not is proof enough that something is not quite right. When a nuclear explosion happens, even underground, there's no debate, everybody immediately knows that it's a nuclear explosion from its sheer power. This explosion was only 500t while a typical nuclear explosion will be considerably larger around 10kt to 20kt, so if that was indeed a nuclear test, it was a failure, that's the one thing everybody agrees on.
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Old 14-10-2006, 17:37   #108
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You're thinking too short-term.
No, I'm not. The chance for a war to break out in Norway is minimal, and if it'll break out It'll happen far away from here before reaching norwegian soil, so we can take safety messures if so were to be the problem. The chance for a terror attack is much more likely to hit bigger countries, + if we were to live in fear of some possible terror attack all the time I think the terrorists have already won. We don't have big natural disasters as earthquakes in Norway because of the location of the country, we don't have major floods and tidal waves and stuff because of how the whole country is build up by mountains, and a soil that can get rid of large amounts of water very effective, because it rains alot up here. We have the technology to make the safest and most modern type of nuclear power plants which doesn't go up in a boom, we are already storing nuclear waste at top security, we have the money and last, but not least; we acctually have the need..! Poor people are suffering 'cause of the huge electricity prices in Norway!

What is short term about any of this..? -- Building another water plant, a houndred windmills and whatnot, is what I'd call short term. We'll only cover a small percentage of our need at the time, so we have to keep building and building, repairing and repairing, destroying more and more waterfalls, destroy more and more areas because of windmills (we can't build windmills everywhere because of too little wind or too much wind. Conditions must be perfect, therefor we'd have to fill up perfect areas with the windmills and permenantly destroy living conditions for the local inhabitants). That's not acceptable imo. THAT'S what I call short term. Why not make nuclear power plants that give us a big surplus of electricity, and at the same time use the same amount of money - if not a bigger amount - to research other alternatives or make nuclear power even safer than the ultra safe plants we are able to build today...

Would you rather that everybody closed down all their nuclear power plants at once and spend a hell alotta money to find a better alternative to build instead?
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:/ It's a pity they are doing these things. If it's actually true tho. It could be fake, aye? Hmm... either way, they are pushing limits not necessary to push.
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Old 16-10-2006, 19:18   #109
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So it seems it was really a nuclear test. It's still a failure though with a yield of only about 500t.
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The US government has just closed one of its websites after it was told that it contained detailed technical documents about how to make nuclear bombs. Those confidential documents were seized in Iraq afer the invasion, and the US government simply posted them online for everybody to see without even checking what was in them.
Those nuclear bomb tech specs were freely available online for several weeks, so closing the website is of little effect as it's ovious that its content has been duplicated many times and spread all over the net by now.

The stupidity of Bush and his pals knows no limit.

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Old 03-11-2006, 21:55   #111
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The North Korean nuclear test was very real, and they'll be hitting Alaska next.
The tidal wave will be enough to drown the coastal areas.
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Invading Iraq: $100 billion
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Posting online nuclear bomb schematics without even noticing it: priceless
Someone should make a little commercial-thingie like that. Hehehe. It would be a youtube-hit, easily
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