The murder of homosexual people

xmad · 22-04-2006, 07:45

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Originally Posted by KellyJ

Looks like someone is getting hanged.

Yes.

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Originally Posted by KellyJ

That happened in the states some guy in highschool was hung cause he was gay

That's so sad.
But what if a country's rule is killing gay people?
I've read and heard about the other ways of killing gay people but I'm not sure about them.Those ways are so cruel.Like dropping them from the mountain.or killing them by stones.About the existance of the second way I'm sure but I'm not sure if this was is for gay people too or not.As far as I know this is done for women.

marina · 22-04-2006, 10:01

That's been a huge news several months ago . Two iranian boys were hung...great outrage in media....Internet was flooded with pictures of them...shots near the court , in policeman car driving them to the place of execution and another big shot of them like 2-3 minutes before the actual hunging.
That's Iran for you ! Though they stopped the killings by stones not long ago , the punisment for such *crimes* is still very severe ....Girls/women more likely would be beaten(and i don't meam light spanking by belt) , probably up to 3 times they should be caught and punished for the same crime before they could really execute them ! And you need witnesses...Men punished more for such things. They could be beaten to the bloody pulp even for much less crimes , short spell in the iranian jail (like up 2 weeks , and everything in Iran is sorted out very slowly .. bureaucracy ) could leave you an invalid for a long time!
But than again ...you must remember it's Iran....you couldn't walk on the streets holding hands or god forbid! kissing even if you are engaged and you are not homosexual ..maybe in Tehran you could (things better in capital) but in other places(Yazd , Shiraz, Esfahan) it's absolute no-no. So what do you expect if homosexual people involved ?

freddie · 22-04-2006, 11:06

I don't think this is as much about religion as it is about fear. Religion is just an excuse.

Sabeena · 22-04-2006, 11:30

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Originally Posted by freddie

Religion is just an excuse

I agree.. Im a Muslim and have been bought up by family thinking that homosexuality is wrong...but since I was a small child I made up my own mind and went against their views.. Nowadays I have lots of Bisexual and gay friends as well as straight..and constantly argue with my mum about this.. but she thinks im a lesbian just because Im a fan of tatu..and if I am gay.. i apparently i will be kicked out..

Rachel · 22-04-2006, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Sabeena

..and if I am gay.. i apparently i will be kicked out..

I hate to put it this way, but isn't that really sad people putting their religion before their own family? People have gotta realise that sexuality is only part of a being, it is not everything and that we really don't make any choice

Who would choose to be discriminated against every day? Hell, I know it would be so much easier if I found guys attractive. But, I don't.

Anouk · 22-04-2006, 12:32

The human race disgusts me.. It's sad that our race is so easy manipulated by some words, something that in not real, in compare to what is real.. And indeed, it's freaking sad that people put a silly little book before their own flesh and blood..

The guy who wrote the bible should be revived and then be shot again.. He started all this nonsense in the world..

dradeel · 22-04-2006, 13:51

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Originally Posted by Anouk

The guy who wrote the bible should be revived and then be shot again.. He started all this nonsense in the world..

Heh. There are actually very many authors in the bible. The bible as we know it today were put together by a gang of monks and priests in year 300 or something? Not sure.. Anyways, they voted about the books and letters that proved important to be in the bible. So yeah, I blame the monks!

freddie · 22-04-2006, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Anouk

The guy who wrote the bible should be revived and then be shot again.. He started all this nonsense in the world..

People who wrote the bible did no wrong. They just wrote down some moral ground rules with a pretense of a godly intervention. The problem is just that these moral rules applied to the population of jewish people 2000 years ago and is slightly redundant these days. That doesn't mean the writers themselves had any ill intentions. Everyone reads it as they want.

QueenBee · 22-04-2006, 15:00

Yeah, the bible probably fit the current situation ages ago, but these days it's not so easy to develop as the human race if we still follow it, but oh well.

I don't think religion itself is so bad actually, I know the bible says alot of dumb shit, but the bigger picture is probably not so bad. I can only give Islam as an example as I know more about the message of Islam... to be in peace with all people and animals, and to cherish nature, love etc. Basically that everyone should love and respect eachother. Apparently the Quran also doesn't say any of the women "abuse" things, like "Women are worth less than men", that women should cover themselves etc. but that every person is the master of their own body etc.

It's just sad that people have transformed religion into something so bad, or rather use it as an excuse to do horrible things. For example the suicide bombers who yell "Allahu Akhbar!" before blowing themselves up in the air... Or the Catholic freaks who think homosexuals are disgusting and that a woman should not be able to have an abortion if she was raped.

All in all I think religion is good in itself, or rather, that the message of religion is not so bad, but I definitely don't think we should make it as serious as it is... and the only way to do that is probably to ban all religions.

Just the fact that people find something as made up and dumb as religion more important than anything else in life, makes me wanna ... laugh at them and tell them how they're wasting their life by surrounding it completely with such nonsense as religion.

A guy in my class said that he loves God more than he loves his mother.

I wanted to laugh at him, but I gotta be respectful... LOL.

Anouk · 22-04-2006, 15:01

Who cares how many people wrote it anyway.. And yes, people interpret in their own ways, thats what wrong with the damn book in the first place, because there is not one way to interpret it.. It should have never been written.. Even though people would've found other ways to destroy eachother's life, at least there would be one less reason..

spyretto · 22-04-2006, 15:22

I thought the bible was written by god

But at any rate, I can't see the point behind blaming the concept of religion or the bible for something that people do. It's like blaming the medium of television and not the programs that are in it...it's the people not the medium.

Anouk · 22-04-2006, 15:33

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Originally Posted by spyretto

I thought the bible was written by god

Or so they make you think.. I mean, I can't believe it when they say that "god" whispered the words to them or spoke to them or whatever like that.. But that's just me

QueenBee · 22-04-2006, 15:48

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I thought the bible was written by god

Duhhh, of course

robbie · 22-04-2006, 16:03

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spyretto, "Bible" called "Word of God" wasn't written by God. Was written by evangelists (apostles) and many autors (bystanders or eyewitness)

PS. Did you hear about Evangelist from Judas? Very interesting.

QueenBee · 22-04-2006, 16:12

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Spy was being sarcastic.

robbie · 22-04-2006, 16:15

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QueenBee, ohhh... sorry, it's profess deviation (in Poland we called this "zboczenie zawodowe")

QueenBee: LOL!

It's okay though.

You're so Polish! *gives you a flower*

Rachel · 22-04-2006, 17:27

I think this thread is very fitting with this post by ypsidan04.

QueenBee · 22-04-2006, 17:34

Also, I think everyone should take a look at this image:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5666/19488499uy.gif

hehe.

Rachel · 22-04-2006, 17:35

LOL Yep! They are very selective on the parts of the bible they want to remember and quote

dradeel · 22-04-2006, 17:45

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Originally Posted by robbie

PS. Did you hear about Evangelist from Judas? Very interesting.

I've heard about that that! There were an norwegian expert 'on that kinda language and scrolls and scripts and stuff' that talked about it. He had acctually read and interpret parts of it. In short it said that Judas was the most important and brightest of all the disciples, and that Jesus and Judas had been having advanced conversations on the side. Judas were the only one to understand who this god was. It raised a debate whether it's a "new" or earlier misunderstood god, or the jewish god, Jahveh... The story also said that Judas had been given the key role of the betrayal against Jesus by Jesus himself. Jesus had told Judas to turn him in, so that he'd be executed. This way the prophecy would come true, and the "word" would spread around.
I can't wait to see the final translation of it all. It's very interesting, indeed!

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