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Old 21-12-2004, 08:50   #21
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I meant it another way

I wouldn't be surprised if Bin Laden talks to Bush on the red (white? ) phone - everyday. Doesn't surprise you that Bin Laden has become a "ghost" figure nobody can find? oh , common now

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...st_pe/rumsfeld

oh dear It seems the US admin deliberately prolonging this war
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Old 21-12-2004, 13:01   #22
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[quote=luxxi]You do realise that that this isn't for "most positive man of the year"? Seeing how Hitler got it (1938), Stalin (1942) and Homeini (1979)
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Old 24-12-2004, 09:00   #23
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That sucks...How come Saddam and Bin Laden didn't get it yet?
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Old 24-12-2004, 10:07   #24
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That sucks...How come Saddam and Bin Laden didn't get it yet?
OBL was close to getting it in 01 but people were threatening to cancel their subscrptions so magazine balked.

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Old 24-12-2004, 10:26   #25
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oic...well, maybe he'll get it the day "Captain Stupid" declares the US economy has gone to pot.
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Old 24-12-2004, 13:22   #26
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I wonder if people threatened to quit subscribtions back in the day when Hiter and Stalin got it. Or maybe they weren't quite as stupid as they are today and they actually got the PURPOSE of this title back then still.
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Old 24-12-2004, 13:55   #27
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Basically, I think if anyone other than Bush had won this year there'd be a major uproar. "How dare they not honour our leader in these uncertain days?!" Blah blah blah...
Time are just covering their asses and taking the easy way out.
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Old 24-12-2004, 15:21   #28
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Yeah but the truth of the matter is, if there were no elections in the U.S. this year, the Democrats too would have put up with it, kept it quiet and Bush would be heralded as a new American superhero, dealing with the real enemy of America as he should.
Not that would change much the situation he's stuck up with now. So you have to look not at what people do, but why they do what they do.
And of course we live in the era of utter stupidity and total manupulation of the masses, whereby they can persuade anybody that black is white and white is black as long as it's said by CNN and NBC. There used to be some smokescreen where they'd try to conceal, distort and turn things upside down so much that one could be confused and not see beyond all the bullshit. But now it has gone way passed the land of the ridiculous.

What can one say, nobody would go in the streets to stir a revolution. We better all board a ship of fools and sail for the land of neverland...

And basically, modern democracy is a load of bollocks; you go every 4-5 years and elect the lesser of the two evils and then he has the power to do whatever the hell he wants to do. If that is demo-cracy, the "rule of the people" then I'm Mahatma Ghandi. They better go back and see what democracy used to be in the times of Ancient Athens.
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Old 24-12-2004, 17:28   #29
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woo! soldiers still in iraq during the holidays, eating crappy food and sleeping in a cold bed. we definately should praise and award the man responsible
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Old 25-12-2004, 01:24   #30
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Anything strange with it? I bet he'll be running as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize next year too. Since Yasser could make it then why not Georgy?
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Old 25-12-2004, 17:29   #31
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And basically, modern democracy is a load of bollocks; .... If that is demo-cracy, the "rule of the people" then I'm Mahatma Ghandi. They better go back and see what democracy used to be in the times of Ancient Athens.
It´s a subjective point of view.....it´s true that in the "Ancient Athens", citizens had the power to vote for another chief of war if they thought that the present wasn´t enough good but.. among other things, foreigners, Slaves and Women...couldn´t vote..
Moreover,Platon thought that a "democracy with a such quality or performance" could only take place in a city having at maximum 7000 habitants... with more habitants, the idea of democracy would be associated with less quality.

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Old 27-12-2004, 06:23   #32
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Actually the world originates from the 5th c. BC Athens and means the rule of the demos. The demos was consisted of every male citizen over the age of thirty, and each one would serve for at least one term at the Council - which was the equivalent to our modern parliament.
It's true that women and slaves were not represented at that time, but later, under Solon's legislation, all slaves were declared free, and later, under Pericles,the newly-aquired slaves were represented in the Council which was now formed by the 500 "best" - according to merit, not wealth or family citizens. All that 2500 years ago...
I think that instead of what we have today - the tyranny of the majority, sometimes even the minority - and since the Athenian system is impossible to be implemented, I'd rather see the abolition of that flawed model of "democracy" altogether and the return of the monarchy. One person respected by everybody to be chosen to run the country. He would elect his government according to merit not interest and would have to get the approval of the people for important decisions - such as taking the country to war. After a term he would decide who the his successor would be. ( another well-respected member of the community ).
I think the Chinese used to do that for centuries.
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Old 27-12-2004, 12:18   #33
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I think that instead of what we have today.... I'd rather see the abolition of that flawed model of "democracy" altogether and the return of the monarchy. One person respected by everybody to be chosen to run the country. He would elect his government according to merit not interest and would have to get the approval of the people for important decisions - such as taking the country to war. After a term he would decide who the his successor would be. ( another well-respected member of the community )..
..it´s may be because I read too much your posts that I become very pessimistic here...

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He would elect his government according to merit ...
.."according to merit" could have absolutely opposite definitions in relation with the context...it seems "according to merit" has had a lot of catastrophic "past history" in many dictatures....

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He .... would have to get the approval of the people for important decisions - such as taking the country to war... After a term he would decide who the his successor would be. ( another well-respected member of the community )..
So the people would be able to decide by itself, without knowing with precision which are all the economical, diplomatical, ethical, military ....stakes, if it accepts or not a war...but the same people won´t be able to choose by itself its next chief ?...

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who the his successor would be. ( another well-respected member of the community )..
..this expression rejoins , in my brain, the "previous danger" of .."according to merit"...

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One person respected by everybody to be chosen to run the country. ..
Does it/he/she exist ? ...I´m surprised by a such proposition from your part, spyretto,...It presupposes that all the chiefs would be the wiser of the wiser...a true fairy-tail...
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