USA - General discussion (Part 2)

[Khartoun2004]

House Passes Gay Hate Bill, White House Threatens Veto.

So the House rules in a 230-180 vote in favor of the Bill of Rights, Constitution and Americans... and Bush is a fucking idiot. If he vetos this bill the Republicans will be fucked in 2008.

My sources in the Senate have informed me that they expect the bill will pass as well, but aren't sure when the Senate will take up the debate. Unfortunately they do not believe it will pass with a 2/3 majority which is needed in both the House and Senate to override a Presidential Veto.

[Amy_Lee_Rocks]

Originally Posted by Khartoun2004

House Passes Gay Hate Bill, White House Threatens Veto.

So the House rules in a 230-180 vote in favor of the Bill of Rights, Constitution and Americans... and Bush is a fucking idiot. If he vetos this bill the Republicans will be fucked in 2008.

My sources in the Senate have informed me that they expect the bill will pass as well, but aren't sure when the Senate will take up the debate. Unfortunately they do not believe it will pass with a 2/3 majority which is needed in both the House and Senate to override a Presidential Veto.

arent the reps already fucked? lol

[Khartoun2004]

Originally Posted by Amy_Lee_Rocks

arent the reps already fucked? lol

it appears so... but I wouldn't underestimate the power of the Dark Side. The Republican debate tonight will shead more light on their plans for 2008. They have a strong candidate in Rudy Giuliani and Senator McCain maybe a threat. Of course we'll have to wait until the primaries next year to have a clearer idea. Also, I think Giuliani is to moderate for the conservatives in the Bible Belt to win the primary, but you never know.

The Democrats need to step up and define the party platform early on in the debates. They have very strong candidates in Hilary Clinton and Barak Obama... It will most likely come down to those two in the Primaries. However, like in 2004 election, if a strong Moral vote comes up again like Gay Marriage... the Democrats are weak.

[Ace of Order]

Hopefully the angst over gay marriage and abortion has wore off after several election cycles. The Democrats DID manage to win in November 2006, even with several gay marriage bans on the state ballots.

Honestly, I think Iraq is a little more pressing at the moment than allowing same-sex couples to marry. Eventually, the American public will wake up.

(Read: "Eventually" is hopefully November 2008)

[Khartoun2004]

Originally Posted by Ace of Order

Hopefully the angst over gay marriage and abortion has wore off after several election cycles. The Democrats DID manage to win in November 2006, even with several gay marriage bans on the state ballots.

Honestly, I think Iraq is a little more pressing at the moment than allowing same-sex couples to marry. Eventually, the American public will wake up.

(Read: "Eventually" is hopefully November 2008)

We can hope dear... however you of all people should know how absolutely ridiculous the Republican party can be. They will bitch and moan about even the tiniest most insignificant thing if they think for a second it will get them one more vote...

Need I remind you of the 4 hour long debate in the RI General Assembly over the definition of Tethered and Leashed by the Republicans???

[Talyubittu]

Hmm. I think my official respect for my countries government just went from 4% to 2.

[Khartoun2004]

The hate crimes act passed by the house also includes Gender Identity/Expression

See the House of Representatives doesn't fail... just the Executive branch.

[Ace of Order]

Oh dear...

The President's approval rating is at the lowest of any president in a generation, and the Republicans are considering splintering on the issue of Iraq.

How awful.

[Talyubittu]

Gender Identity/Expression

lmao.

[Khartoun2004]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

lmao.

why is that funny?

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by Khartoun2004

why is that funny?

It's not to you.

I however, find it hilarious.

[Khartoun2004]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

It's not to you.

I however, find it hilarious.

Really? Then I suppose you don't have a problem with people who think it's hilarious when people talk about adding sexual orientation to hate crimes legislation... or National Origin which is also a completely cultural and societal construct which you claim gender indentity is.

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by Khartoun2004

Really? Then I suppose you don't have a problem with people who think it's hilarious when people talk about adding sexual orientation to hate crimes legislation... or National Origin which is also a completely cultural and societal construct which you claim gender indentity is.

I said Gender Expression. - Nothing about National Origin or Sexual Orientation.

- Besides, I don't really think that being black, Mexican, w/e is something that you "socially construct".

I'd also like to say, that I was not laughing at the fact that they are protected by laws, I think thats good. I Just think the term is completely hilarious.

[Khartoun2004]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

- Besides, I don't really think that being black, Mexican, w/e is something that you "socially construct".

Black is a race my dear, not a national origin.

As for Mexican, it is completely a societal construct, along with every other national origin... why? Because the idea of countries is also a societal construct. They change over time, people fight wars, sign treaties, ect and the land of the "Country" changes. People are pretty much the same, whether they be French, American (especially for the US, since we are basically a melting pot for everything else), English, Chinese, Mexican, whatever... When you break it down to the cellular level the only real difference between human beings are the three different types of Mitochondria.

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by Khartoun2004

Black is a race my dear, not a national origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

[Khartoun2004]

Originally Posted by Talyubittu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

thank you for proving my point.

[Talyubittu]

Originally Posted by Khartoun2004

thank you for proving my point.

Black is a racial, political, sociological or cultural classification of people. No people are literally colored black, but many people who have dark skin color are considered to be. A variety of socio political and biological factors are used to define categories of black people.

.....?

[Khartoun2004]

Black is a racial, political, sociological or cultural classification of people

Black is a race... saying that it is a national origin is like trying to say that Caucasian is a national origin, meaning caucasian people are from the county caucasia, or that Asian are from a country of asia... Asia is a continent, not a country. Africa is a continent, not a country.

All races have their own political, sociological and cultural classification, that is part of what makes them a race.

National Origin deals specifically with the country you were born in. A person born in England, is English. A person born in Japan is Japanese. People born in the United States are American... are you getting my point? Race and National Origin are not always the same thing. I have friends from South Africa that are white... see not the same... or would you like me to explain it in a different way?

[Amy_Lee_Rocks]

This land is your land, this land is my land.
From California, to New York Islands.
From the red wood forrest, to the gulf spring
waaaaaaters. This land was made for you and me!

[spyretto]

The Democrats are stuffed with Hilary and Obama...right now I'm willing to put at least 1000 bucks on the Republicans to win next election...the price is right, more than double the money for a sure bet.
Not only will the Americans not going to vote a woman or an African American in office - like the French didn't - the Democrats are very well capable of messing things up even further with their stupidity.

Therefore, put all your savings, possessions, house and kids on the Republicans win...a new start without Bush, change etc.

The Democrats won't be seeing the White House for quite a while I reckon. They only have themselves to blame...