question to certain tatu fans...

[cindango]

why do you dismiss anything you read that doesn't support lena and julia being 'together'?

[rachelc]

Originally posted by cindango
why do you dismiss anything you read that doesn't support lena and julia being 'together'?

Because people (like me) love the idea of them being together, I would say. Personally, I think the case for and against is very finely balanced and I'm actually very intrigued that still, nobody really knows whether they are or they aren't. Good for them!

[haku]

I dismiss anything i read, period. Written interviews and articles can not be trusted. Even photographs can easily be altered and have to be looked at closely. I need video footage to believe something, and if it's in a language i don't understand, i need to trust the translator.

To believe that Lena has a boyfriend, i'll need to see her frenchkiss the guy and put her hand on his crotch. Same for Yulia.

[Lux]

yeah, i dont believe everything or anything i read. it could be true, it could not be. i'm too far away from what it could be to be able to tell what it is. so...why worry?
if they're gay, fine. if they're not, fine. if they' got boyfriends tucked away somewhere, fine.

i just want the new album and to see them live.
haku - Lol. right on! there's all the physical evidence you could possibly need!!! i, too, would like to see some spit swapping between lena or julia and some guy. Lmao.

although i won't take petty bashing by tabloids or whoever.


the only thing that i fully *trust* is the interaction between julia and lena. ppl can only act out so much that convinces me, and if they were "fake" it wouldnt add up. the tiny, intimate gestures that emerge between them are damned convincing. if it were just a job, how can those things exist? if i were paid to act gay around a friend, i would overkill. and it would be so unnatural if attraction wasn't already present. ppl who've met them have said, "they didnt seem to have passion b/w them." and that doesnt matter, because like any normal couple that's been married for 3 years, passion doesnt fly 24/7. that is, they've over that touchy fun phase. i wouldnt say that they are in love, and will be together for all time because that's out of anyone's hands! their relationship is professional, but they've still got something a bit deeper. close friends who just might have a certain intimate side.
and if they're just friends who don't snog, so be it. they still snog in my head.

[rachelc]

Originally posted by Lux
yeah, i dont believe everything or anything i read. it could be true, it could not be. i'm too far away from what it could be to be able to tell what it is. so...why worry?
if they're gay, fine. if they're not, fine. if they' got boyfriends tucked away somewhere, fine.

i just want the new album and to see them live.

although when tabloids or whoever bash them with negative attitudes i won't take it.

I'll second all of that . If they do have boyfriends, they shouldn't have to hide them, though - that really would be bullshit. Who gives a crap really?

[EeZeReal]

To believe that Lena has a boyfriend, i'll need to see her frenchkiss the guy and put her hand on his crotch. Same for Yulia.

Uh huh...Thats pretty much what I said the other day...

Visual evidence is only what can be guaranteed as proof...and its not like we've seen much of that..

[freddie]

I don't dismiss anything. I take everything into consideration. HOWEVER - It is a fact that most articles written about supposed boyfriends, cat-fights, hypnosis etc., are so pityful and weak that people can't do anything else then to point at the obvious mystakes.

There are many articles that do support the idea of being together, but I don't belive them - just because they have the same symptoms as the non-supportive articles.

The difference for me is not between a supportive or a non-suportive article, but a valid and a non-valid one.

[elf]

Originally posted by cindango
why do you dismiss anything you read that doesn't support lena and julia being 'together'?

Because they are together... Duh..

It's like asking "Why do you dismiss anyting you read that contradicts to the Law of Conservation of Energy?"

[Gutter Flower]

I never though they were together,so the only articles I dismiss is where the press says "they're madly in love".

[cindango]

Originally posted by Lux
the only thing that i fully *trust* is the interaction between julia and lena. ppl can only act out so much that convinces me, and if they were "fake" it wouldnt add up. the tiny, intimate gestures that emerge between them are damned convincing. if it were just a job, how can those things exist?

you don't need to be a psychologist to know that if you do tiny gestures here and there you can make people to think what you want them to think. heck, i've played with people's minds before.

[Rob]

It doesn't matter to me what direction an article takes, I'm judging what credibility a newspaper has, how the article is written, whether the details are correct or not and whether there is a source given and if so what kind of source this is.

The past 6 months have shown that not everything written in a newspaper or said on TV is true and that many of those are not doing research at all but copying the stuff from other papers or channels.
Therefore you do get suspicious in a general way.

Another point is the fact that the media is so eager to proove that they're not lesbians while both of them have said more than once in the past that they're bi. So why are papers still so much into kinda "showing the truth" that already is out there by both of them saying that they're bi?
By now I think that some people are against the idea that a group with a bi- or homosexual image is so successful as tATu is. That's why they're trying to harm them. And obviously they don't care anymore how they do it, what crap they're coming up with and recycling this stuff every 2 months.

Personally I don't care what they do in private, as the music and the message, that has helped many young people to find the strenght to come out and many not gay people being a bit more open than they were before, are the important things to me.

[Lux]

you don't need to be a psychologist to know that if you do tiny gestures here and there you can make people to think what you want them to think. heck, i've played with people's minds before.

since they've been together for so long, i've seen enough interaction that shows me it's not just doing things here and there, because some things are consistent. those things are subconscious and even when the camera isn't on them [or they think its not] they still do them. why, if there are no cameras why keep it up.

[rachelc]

That was very well said Rob. The word "gay" is still used as a playground insult here all the time. Anything that is considered crap is called "gay" - it's depressing. You're gay, your shoes are gay, that record's gay, etc,etc. And half of the teachers in the schools are just as homophobic. I was training to be a teacher a few years ago and overheard a 14 year old girl telling her French teacher that she had just seen this girl kissing another girl...And the teacher's response?...Eeurgh! That was it. Encouraging, eh? Let's not kid ourselves - homophobia is everywhere - even in a supposedly progressive country like the UK.

[cindango]

Originally posted by Rob
It doesn't matter to me what direction an article takes, I'm judging what credibility a newspaper has, how the article is written, whether the details are correct or not and whether there is a source given and if so what kind of source this is.

who is to judge whether or not the "details are correct?"

Another point is the fact that the media is so eager to proove that they're not lesbians while both of them have said more than once in the past that they're bi.

well, saying that they were bi was ingenious in the fact that they are now "available," in a sense, to both sexes. their type of image is very popular with males. () i don't know..just rambling here, but i think they had a good reason to say that.

Personally I don't care what they do in private, as the music and the message, that has helped many young people to find the strenght to come out and many not gay people being a bit more open than they were before, are the important things to me.

my theory, the problem with julia and lena not being lesbians is that they could be sending out a bad message. like they had to have two good-looking girls pretend to be lesbians just to have a lesbian-girl group accepted.

[Rob]

Originally posted by cindango
who is to judge whether or not the "details are correct?"

By now at least I know how the tabloids mix up names, events and other stuff in order to let their story work.

well, saying that they were bi was ingenious in the fact that they are now "available," in a sense, to both sexes. their type of image is very popular with males. () i don't know..just rambling here, but i think they had a good reason to say that.

They are the only ones to know the truth about their relationship in the past and present. Therefore no one can tell how their sexual orientation is. Them saying they're bi - fine - they gotta know.
And just in case you come up with the "men liking lesbians-stuff", me and enough other male fans are intrigued by other stuff, namely the music, their absolutely positive message and the effect it has.

my theory, the problem with julia and lena not being lesbians is that they could be sending out a bad message. like they had to have two good-looking girls pretend to be lesbians just to have a lesbian-girl group accepted.

By now I know some lesbians through my family and college and they're looking like straight girls. Same percentage of good-looking as bad-looking. I couldn't tell them apart if they hadn't told me so or I could see it 'cause of them holding hands with their gf's (I'm not good with subtext).
You can not come up and say they "pretend" 'cause you don't know what's been in the past between them, neither do I.
They had a positive effect as I've read enough posts by now from 14 to 19 years old girls finding strength through tATu. Obviously something like this was needed, here it is, why jump on them all the time and try to find something negative.
I haven't heard the word "lesbian" so many times on TV and so on like since 6 months. Might sound odd but I think it's a good thing 'cause they're represented by great music, 2 nice young women.
They say they're bi - good - anyway they've opened the doors for new groups if they should come along- but it depends on the music, if the msuic is crap, I won't listen, no matter how "lesbian" or "gay" or "bisexual" the singer/group is.

[warx]

bcoz i dnt want to waste my time reading stuff that not concerns tatu...

[Tranz]

really dismiss everything I read. Some of those things can be true and some may not be. Only the fact is ya cant really see the truth from a picture and from what some tabloid dude has to say. Only ppl that know the truth are the girls themselves and the ppl close to them ( their crew, producers, friends, etc.. ). Mostly I try just to keep up on where the girls are and how they are doing, when reading up on them in new articles or whatever.

[tikk]

i really don't care what tabloids or "serious" newspapers, magazines say about them in a positive or negative way...
as many have said before, only visual evidence is the main thing and even that can be manipulated...

so, when yulia and lena decide to tell everyone the TRUTH, then we could cry feel released or whatever...

what i certainly find a non-sense and boring attitude is that many militant lesbians have about tatu, claiming they're only a manufactured product for men (so they are absolutely fake), continuing a well-known clichй, not helping the real lesbianism to come out and to be accepted or understood...

well, the thing is that tatu is a pop duo in which music and image are united, liking all kinds of people, and it does not matter being straight, gay, bisexual or mutant to enjoy them... and that's a real achievement!

there may be people who believes in their romantic relationship because is important for them to identify with, there may be people who also believes that, just because they're a cute dream couple, or people who doesn't pay attention to their private lives only to their music, and even scandals or rumours around yulia and lena, because it's truly damned funny...

[njblondie85]

the only reason I dismiss everything I read is because I feel like everytime I turn around theyre dating some other guy-- i mean just a few months ago-- the papers ..magazines...watever-- were telling me that they were dating the Smash boys-- every paper has a different story-- I kinda just absorb it all and pick and choose what I want to believe and what I don't ... there is too much contradictory information for me to believe anything to the fullest extent

[Kappa]

cindango, because we do.

Actually, because I don't believe anything that affirms their relationship either. The press nowadays is pitiful (and take in consideration that I want to be a journalist!), so I only believe in what I see, in what I feel, and in what the direct culprits (aka Lena and Yulia) tell me. Now, Lena and Yulia don't know me so they won't tell me anything (not that they would anyway), but I do feel love between them, and I see so much saliva of one in the other's mouth that appart from getting diabetes from such cuteness, I can only believe in their words.

As Lux said, if they are gay and very much in love, perfect, excuse me while I go put on Ne Ver Ne Boisya! If they are not, oh well, I think I'll blast Nas Ne Dogonyat next time I'm home alone, because their music is still great.