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Old 24-06-2005, 21:27   #21
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And no guarantee it would change it. The perfect example in that sense would be the Oedipus myth. You try to change stuff to avoid something happening in the future, but destiny will still have its way. So suppose it was possible to go back in time to try and kill Hitler. Who's to say the killer wannabe won't die first? Don't wanna mess with the forces of the universe, man
You know you got me to thinking: Who would had dreamed that one could replicate an exact clone of a human being 40-50 years ago. It just wasn't on the barometer. So, instead of a game, let's suppose time travel became a scientific reality. Would someone actually take the risk of tampering with even the smallest detail of history? My guess is that some would and strange things would begin to surface all around us. I know there are books and all that on the subject but I never really thought about it as a possibility.
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Old 24-06-2005, 21:38   #22
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We have no guarantee that killing Hitler as a child would make history better though.
Hitler did not invent fascism, fascism was spreading all over Europe in the 1930s, it was a deep general historical movement, Hitler managed to use that movement to cease power.

If Hitler is removed, who's to say that another national socialist leader isn't going to take his
I think that a better strategic leader than Hitler but a man with the same agenda would have/could have easily taken all of Europe except perhaps England and then re-tooled under a united Europe to take on the British empire first and then ultimately the Soviet empire. After that, retool and choose the US or Asian community next. Use middle Africa for Jurastic Park. He wanted too much, too fast. Someone said it right, he tried to manage too big of a "project". You got to wonder why? Like someone said, he wasn't stupid, maybe just "crazy with autocratic power" to believe he could pull it off that quckly.
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Old 01-11-2005, 22:46   #23
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Of course not.
cuz I admire him.

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Old 01-11-2005, 22:55   #24
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I didnt mean to offend anyone.sorry if I did.
But that's my idea.
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Old 01-11-2005, 23:04   #25
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well, why do you admire him? what's to admire?
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Old 01-11-2005, 23:10   #26
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He had great ideas.
Dont you think it would be great if the world had only a leader?
Do you know any leader who isnt killer?
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Old 01-11-2005, 23:14   #27
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He had great ideas.
So killing millions of Jews was totally ok?

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Dont you think it would be great if the world had only a leader?
No, no-one should have that much control.

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Do you know any leader who isnt killer?
It doesn't make it right.
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Old 01-11-2005, 23:18   #28
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He had great ideas.
killing Jews, gay people, gypsies and opposers just because they were who they were is not what i'd call a 'great idea'.
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Dont you think it would be great if the world had only a leader?
no, i dont think so. but, sadly, we do (in one too many ways): the US president.
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Do you know any leader who isnt killer?
no, he only killed millions of people. but got his army to do the dirty job, of course. no leader gets his hands dirty, you see. still happening. look at Bush.
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Old 01-11-2005, 23:31   #29
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Got nothing to say now xmad?

I'm guessing you're gay, right? If Hitler had won you would have been killed for being gay. Infact you wouldn't even have existed as your grandparents probably would have been killed as I'm guessing they weren't blonde with blue eyes.

So much for a good idea.
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Old 01-11-2005, 23:53   #30
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we dont mean to offend you, xmad. you're a new member and we don't want you to think we contradict you just for the sake of it. we're merely trying to have a discussion, expressing ideas and opinions backed up by rational arguments. we gave you our arguments and now we're waiting for yours.
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Old 02-11-2005, 00:28   #31
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It's funny how adolescent kids seem to find somekind of a quasi-rebelous statement in admiring this charismatic killer. I guess it's the same as the phenomenon of Che Guevara who's found his way onto every T-shirt of an average teen rebel without a cause. It's a clear case of parodizing hiddeous acts of these people, after enough time has passed. Like it or not, Hitler became a symbol for all the modern quasi-rebels against the institution - because he represents such ridiculous evil it'll immediately tickle the fancy of youth - because youth is attracted to the extreme - doesn't even matter if it's extreme NEGATIVE in question. Same reason why satan-worshiping societies exist. Sieg heil! O, brother.
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Old 02-11-2005, 00:36   #32
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It's funny how adolescent kids seem to find somekind of a quasi-rebelous statement in admiring this charismatic killer.
that's true, and i wouldn't have even bothered to ask xmad for further details if that were the case, but from what i can see here, she's 27, freds. so i thought maybe she'd have some explanations. oh, my brother
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Old 02-11-2005, 01:27   #33
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Old 02-11-2005, 01:40   #34
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I don't like the idea of tampering with history, however in the case of getting the chance to kill Hilter before he got the chance to kill about 50% of my family...

I'm afraid as a half German Jew, I would have to say, Yes I would jump at the opportunity to murder the son of a bitch.
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Old 02-11-2005, 08:51   #35
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I dont like that part of history so I suggest dont try to change history :P
As you can see in Back to the future you can do really do stupid things

I hope hitler wont kill me because i have blond hair and blue eyes
The dead of hitler is a good thing in history
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Old 02-11-2005, 10:48   #36
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Got nothing to say now xmad?
No that's not right.Actually I had something to say but unfortunately I lost my internet connecton.

I didnt say he was perfect.He had mistakes.
No one is perfect.


KillaQueen,No,you didnt offend me at all.that's your idea and I respect it.

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Old 02-11-2005, 10:54   #37
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again, no offence, but it's funny that you should call the death and torture of millions of innocent people a 'mistake'
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Old 02-11-2005, 11:24   #38
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That was a war.What did you expect?
That doesnt mean I agree with war cuz I know how terrilbe the war is.
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Old 02-11-2005, 13:09   #39
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Yeah, but see... there was one simple difference with Hitler - he actually PLANNED to erracicate a bunch of nations and ethnic groups. It wasn't really a mistake. His plan was to completely wipe out the jews (not 'cause he hated them - that was just an excuse - but rather to take their money. European jewish population of the time usually consisted wealthy families) and make a permanent working class out of slavic people.

I don't think there is any room for compassion for this guy and whoever does so clearly doesn't know history nor all the facts.

On the other hand of course I can't see anything wrong with people finding him interesting as a historical figure. Some might even admire his charisma and ability to lead a nation of deseperate people into commiting blatent genocide without even feeling bad for it. It takes a very special man to play the right strings to achieve that. However that doesn't change the fact that he as a person was a total sociopathic psycho.
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