Tokio Hotel

[Kate]

Lux, I'm not offended. Mostly bacuse I don't know if I should be offended. Lol. So I don't have a gaydar, big deal? Whatever, I couldn't give a toss.

I'm still not convinced Tokio Hotel boys are gay.

[Lux]

Originally Posted by katbeidar

Lux, I'm not offended. Mostly bacuse I don't know if I should be offended. Lol. So I don't have a gaydar, big deal? Whatever, I couldn't give a toss.

I'm still not convinced Tokio Hotel boys are gay.

i'm not saying it to be offensive but when straight girls declare what only queer people have a right to declare, it's not fair, is it. you couldn't give a toss? ok then. that being said, you can't really judge on whether WHO is gay or not, can you? i mean, can't gay people be better at judging? those are my two cents.

[haku]

Oh my… "what only queer people have a right to declare"… "you can't really judge (coz you're straight)"… Watch out, the gay police is out tonight and it's forbidding straight people to express their opinion.
As i recall, plenty of gay people had their 'gaydar' fooled by Tatu on this very forum, it's not such an accurate tool that it allows them to forbid straight people to express their opinion on the matter.

Whatever.

[Lux]

there is a difference between expressing opinion and declaring your opinion as the accurate observation. whether tatu fooled queer people is another story. it's different with everyone and that was the point they were trying to make, wasn't it? to blur the line between real and what could potentially be real. anyway, that's not my point.
my point is, gay people have every right to judge accurately or otherwise because they are GAY. for straight people to go around declaring what they think is to be true, is not right. you're taking something away from them. it's not fair.

[Rachel]

THEY ARE GAY, END OF STORY!

[Lux]

i second that ^

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haku - do you not like me? what is it? is it cause i'm american?

[Bitty2002]

Bill makes me feel wrong, I don't know why, because I liked Tatu at 15, well more so when they were 17+, and I am the same age, but still. These boys make me feel dirty for thinking they are hot. Bill is a gay-girl-who-doesn't-want-to-be-gay's dream. Just clip his b** and he could stay that way forever, and you'd have the perfect looking little lesbian girl with a penis and no one to call you gay for finding him hot.

These are the types of guys I would have found attractive back when I was in denial. I should have known, lol.


While other people are trying to decide if Bill is a gay boy, I am trying to decide if he is a skinny, 20 yr old lesbian... And is that guy with the dreads his brother?

EDIT: Okay I just watched that Raining Men performance when he...she? was 13. He is either gay, a girl, or....very secure in his dorkiness.

EDIT2: Haku - Gaydar isn't limited to gay people, but when you are gay and have personal experience or suround yourself with a bigger gay community, you probably are better at guessing, Doesn't mean straight people can't guess and guess correctly. Of course, your example of Tatu and gay people wrong falls a bit flat...how many times must it be restated that Yulia is at least bisexual? She has made this fairly clear, clearer than anything else we have heard. But bisexual people (or people who don't like labels and fall in love with souls, rather than genitalia **to clarify this was not a definition of bisexual, but rather just another generic grouping of those in the grey area of sexuality, where physical gender doesn't matter, I am not saying lesbians and straight people do not love souls) don't count. And I still argue Lena is something not straight. Remember, they said everyone is a little gay? For someone to make such a sweeping statement, they must include themselves in the "everyone". So they must think they are "at least a little gay".

[forre]

Originally Posted by Bitty2002

And is that guy with the dreads his brother?

A twin brother.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Bitty2002

These boys make me feel dirty for thinking they are hot.

OMG! That's exactly how I feel. Lol.

[Bitty2002]

katbeidar - I know.......I know

[Kappa]

There is only one answer to this dilemma.

We must Kill Bill.

(Or someone could ask him if he likes boys or girls? I'm quite sure the question will arise when he's older.)

[KillaQueen]

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Originally Posted by Bitty2002

bisexual people (or people who don't like labels and fall in love with souls, rather than genitalia)

well, dear Bitty.. i feel offended by that! i love my girlfriend's soul, not her... thingy! i mean, i love that too, i love the whole of her hihi. love is between 2 souls, not between 2 genitals. or not between a person and someone else's sexual organs. "darling? look, i really, really, really LOVE your you-know-what. and it just so happens that it has an attachment: the rest of you."

and what makes you think gay people like labels? "oh, it's good that i'm gay because i lurrrves me some labels!"

[Bitty2002]

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Originally Posted by KillaQueen

well, dear Bitty.. i feel offended by that! i love my girlfriend's soul, not her... thingy!….

I think you totally misread my intention. I agree with you, exactly. I don't want to get into some long winded explanation, but I have a hard time avoiding those... My point was that society, humans in general like to think in black and white, put labels on things. People don't seek to be labeled, but people are labeled. My point is that if someone says, I am not a lesbian, people assume they are 100% straight. Vice versa. Trust me, I have faced this long convo many, many times. My point was that people don’t fall in love with genitalia, they fall in love with souls, so why is it that one has to label themselves by the genitalia they seek, when there are some out there that don’t even think of the sex. People want to think they understand this idea, but then the moment someone says, I am not this label, I just love someone, they assume it to be a negation of a sexual love as well. As if by saying I am not this extreme, therefore I can't be anywhere in the middle, but must be on the complete other side of the spectrum. I don’t think it is so black and white, because love between two souls can’t be so black and white.

[KillaQueen]

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Originally Posted by Bitty2002

I think you totally misread my intention. I agree with you, exactly. My point was that people don’t fall in love with genitalia, they fall in love with souls, so why is it that one has to label themselves by the genitalia they seek, when there are some out there that don’t even think of the sex.

Ah, I see your point. Sorry, didn't mean to jump at your throat like that. My bad, Bitty

[tainted_chick]

Tokio Hotel are great I just wanna thank Rachel for telling me about them and sending me the song!!!! I couldnt believe Bill was a guy when I first saw his pic, he was just soooo hot, i presumed he was a girl

Are u sure he isnt a girl really

[forre]

They seem to have recorded their first album "Schrei". It will contain 12 tracks:

1. Lebe die Sekunde
2. Schrei
3. Ich bin nicht Ich
4. Durch den Monsun
5. Gegen meinen Willen
6. Freund bleiben
7. Wenn nichts mehr geht
8. Rette mich
9. Jung und nicht mehr
10. Lass uns raus
11. Der letzte Tag
12. Unendlichkeit

A good pic of Bill (for Rach & Katie)

[Kate]

Originally Posted by forre

Katie

Aaww... it's been ages since anyone's called me that... thank you, it's sweet.

Love the photo of Bill. Hot as usual. I feel I should follow in Lena's foot steps, and go confess my sins...

And "yay" for the album. However, I'm a bit sad that they didn't record a few English songs.

[Lux]

http://www.bravo.de/online/bildDB/7495_485.jpg
i don't pine after adolescent boys but that is hot

[forre]

There was an interview in the Bravo mag and Tom said that he had two girlfriends (Yulia and Sabrina) back then but he's single at the moment. One of his ex girlfriends said that they kissed only. No sex. Both girlfriends were a little older than Tom.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by forre

One of his ex girlfriends said that they kissed only. No sex.

I doubt Bill's a virgin though. He's in show-biz. And, as we all know from American movies, show business related meetings are always conducted in strip clubs.