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forre - I didn't leave because of Kate, lol. I'm not that simple. I stayed here for years with Kate being here, lol. She is just the epitome of Kateness. What I was trying to say was that, Kate's unique attitude had spread like a disease here. And I will reiterate that I do not think that all members are like that. But enough are to make it no longer enjoyable.
I always valued this place for its discussion and debating. I have always loved a good debate. But I also live by rules of debate. It is impossible to debate or discuss with someone who turns away and plug there ears, humming, and saying I can think whatever I want, I'm entitled to it!! Well, I'm not trying to change your opinion, but I would like a mature debate. All that maturity dissipated. It's like arguing with children...I no longer see the point. They are going to keep poking Jonnie no matter how many times I tell them that isn't nice. Even doing this is futile, but I guess part of me can't shut up because I do wish things were different. staringelf - I cannot even begin to reply to that long post. There are way too many things packed in there that show how completely and totally impossible it is to communicate myself to you. The problem is that I am a moderate person. I think in shades of grey. I do not live in the extremes you seem to. THe problem is that because you think in black and white- for example, because I still like Tatu or defend them, I must be blindly devoted or fanatical or delusional or just plain stupid. You try to pigeon hole me into this view of what you think the remaining pro-tatu people are. I am not, and therefore nothing I say matters, because I can say something moderate and you will shove it into your preconcieved notion. I could go point by point, refuting and debating all you just said, but I have no desire to, because it's like beating a dead horse. I said my reason and people will warp it into whatever they want and whatever suits them. I'm gonna go watch some tv. |
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14-12-2004, 03:09 | #123 |
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forre, I told u they I do understand what u mean by talking about gay people on this site. I didn't argue that some of those just found their 'home' in the very beginning of this site. What I meant is that many gay members are still here at the moment. This forum didn't turn to something discriminative when it comes to this aspect.. yet. So people that were important part of this forum, used to post in threads concerning all matters possible, must have had different reasons to leave no matter of their sexuality. Those who were here JUST in hope to find people of same sexuality and were discussing only those matters could leave for the reason u mentioned but I don't think that no oh-so-straight members would mention them in this thread.
And I wasn't twisting things. Gay problems discussions were as important for some people as any other. That's what I meant. That's all. As for friends.. look at post above yours. It belongs to staringelf and I guess he made it quite clear that yes, he has fun hanging out with people he calls friends here. I don't see the reason to continue this argument. Do u wanna say that all people are here only for TATU at the moment? I don't think so or the forum would be quite empty by now. It's the good way to communicate with friends or many would leave the forum and just read news from time to time from pure curiosity. I wasn't speaking about religion here and I never had intention to draw any lines. All I said that there's no religeous discrimination here at least in extreme forms. Wasn't i right? |
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sunny poison, Yeh, okay - virtual friends, not that he will miss teeny otherwise but having some chit-chat on here for the sake of fun. It has nothing to do with friendship.
*wiating for staringelf to claim that he will miss teeny* Edit: As for that Fake Tatu pictures thread - some of us opposed the idea and found it tasteless but since Igor and haku thought it was okay, so it remained but as you see it's not a very popular thread after all. If you prohibit such things, people start to scream that we have censorship and discrimination. |
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2. I never mentioned you before 3. I am not as extreme as you think, and I don't think of tATu fans as either / or, therefore I used the term "most of them" when I referred to the people who comment on that other forum (in my opinion), and not to everyone who is "pro-tATu" as you say - and what exactly is "pro-tATu"? I like the band's music, I wish them to be successful, yet I complain about their several lies they gave us and messed up management - does that make me anti-tATu? Nope. I am as "pro-" as you are. I just don't devote my time to their 'adventures' with passion anymore, I became skeptical about their future. Nonetheless, can't wait for the new albm and I wish them to be very successful, because I see in them something different from the mainstream euro/american pop that dominates the show biz. Just because I changed my posture, does not mean I am against them. 4. Personally, from your speech, I think you are more interested in tATu than most people here at this moment, but I don't think you're gullable and delusional and "plain stupid", like you said. I had never even said a word to you before right now And no, I don't think that about what you, based obviously on what I've read from you, since I don't know you. 5. You just put words in my mouth, said how I am, what I will do, etc. If something has a pre-conceived notion of somebody here, then it's clearly you I hold nothing against you or anyone. I just don't like gullable, delusional, people who obsess too much about things and take everything very seriously. You're not gullable, delusional and whatnot, but you do seem to be taking this discussion pretty seriously. So, that would be the only one thing that I wouldn't enjoy about you. But I'm not picking on you or anyone. Just like when I say I don't like *most* of the sort of behaviour and posts and that other forum and explain why, I'm not picking on them, I'm just mentioning that. Just like everytime someone talks about Bush, I say the guy's an asshole etc. When people talk about tatu.us, or something reminds of the average sort of topics and kinds of discussions there (I've only been there a few times, but it was pretty clear lol), I say I think most of them represent gullable minds and fanaticism in their message. If you like the place and the people there, the least you could do is accept my opinion, not take it so seriously and be mad about it, lol. But whatever, it's your choice Just don't be so grumpy, girl, it's not worth it, you can't change people. I don't want to change you either, the only thing I would change *if* I wanted to would be for you to take yourself and others less serious here, since this is just a normal conversation, not a daytime soap opera. |
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I think the one that u said was on CRACK is me as it was me who was talking about people loosing identity here and others afraid to express their opinion. No matter how frustrating it is but me got only sume cold sugafree tea here And it keeps me in quite sober mind reminding me how shitty life can be if u got only that damn tea instead of other cool things u could have *sigh* whatever U mixed everything together.. tatu*us, missing members, identity.. I'll try to make it clear. 1. I'm not the hurt tatu*us forumer who came here to defend my forum. I don't give a damn about that forum, honestly. I care only for this one and when I see ugly childish behavior coming out of here, it's no fun 2. I'm not blind tatu-fan who feels offended by tatu-bashing here. I'll tell u more - I never was. I didn't come here back there in December 2002 to find fellow tatu-fans. It was absolutely different reason for me - curiosity. I was interested in TATU as in project, russian one, that broke-through internationaly. I was interested in how people from 'there' see it and whole media mechanism. I ALWAYS knew girls had bfs as I kinda live in Moscow and some of my close friends know or knew some of those bfs personally (bfs were changing as u can guess). Being a student specialized in journalistics I wouldn't have a problem finding girls' phone numbers or adresses as too many ppl know it anyway. I never cared. Coz those weren't girls that were keeping my interest. It was project itself, media politics, concept and people I've met here, ppl i enjoyed helping with russian and it was also a good way to learn english for me. Yeah, I did like the songs of course or who would I mention them at all. Even I'd say the vid, I liked the vid. Do u really believe I say this all because I have problems with people who doesn't believe girls are together? I just knew it all the time and still always respected other peoples' feelings, opinions and believes. And I don't think you are cool coz u don't. Sometimes it's much better to keep something for urself. But it's a hard way, coz u care about being cool, so-well-informed and realistic, so who cares about what others think and feel, right? 3. It's not my first day here. I came to tatugirls.com when 20 people online were kind of record there, where KillaQueen was writing her books and so on. Kate was some good fan and providing her news made sure best people from there found themselves at tatysite soon. I wasn't posting here for few months wich doesn't mean I wasn't checking this forum. And when I say something, it's not just an impression of someone running buy. It's something I actually see. All is IMHO of course. I never claimed it being an absolute truth. People did change here and as i said already it's hard to notice if u are a part of it urself. They were different. Some naive, some shy, some depressed. Now the only diversity of opinions is wether one prefers red or blue thongs. It's cool that u have so much fun and I don't have a problem with it at all. Whatever makes people happy can be. I just say what I see. Yes, it became much harder to differ one post from another when they are all filled with bitterness and humor (wich is often rude) What I think is wrong is that diversity of opinions (even if it's about tatu only) is not welcomed here. If the person comes here and says he loves TATU and believes they are actually together, it's his opinion and it should be respected. But in fact u'd just eat such person alive. That's why they are all gone well enough for now i guess.. u can add a list of other things i'm ON now =)))))) |
14-12-2004, 03:54 | #127 |
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forre, of course we were talking abut virtual friends. But same goes for MSN, AOL and e-mail as well as for this forum =) virtual relationships of all kinds. Some grow into something more (like it did happen on this forum) some just vanish
damn, I don't even se any point for arguing with u anymore lol And it's only 6 am I got 1 more hour to argue.. maybe staringelf helps me in this *keeps fingers crossed* |
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I had a feeling I'd be mentioned. I'm still around. I visit a few times each week to read threads and see what's going on. I just don't post that much 'cos I sort of fell out of sync with the ongoing news here a while ago. But, as for updates... I moved into a different apartment about a week ago. It's actually fairly nice. And cozy. And I'm still at the same job, in the same city. Single, but okay. Things change. So, hi to everybody. Except QueenBee, who thinks that mah smarts be smartassd. |
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when was the last time a thread elicited serious discussion without mocking or laughing at the information, or the opinions of members' posts?
it seems to me, most threads and posts end up in jest. i do not mean it is all laughter and finger pointing, but much of it is. i can only attribute this to how changes in tatu have effected individual members, although there is no gauge on what exactly happened with each. |
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This situation reminds me of a divorced couple where a one is trying to explain that he/she left the other one because the other one changed. Maybe people just grew apart and there's nothing to do about it? Tatysite served its purpose once for you and many other people and it serves its purpose for new ones now. Search for the reasons in yourself, always. That's what I tried to say. |
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