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I'm gay as well as millions of other people in the world, GAY, GAY, GAY, GAY, GAY...It's not an insult and never should be! Quote:
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Not hearing the muslim cartoons around or they blow up everything possible ? No , not everything boils down to the past , at least not so simply . If you give me spare room in your home , if you nurse me when I'm sick , feed me , I have to live by your house rules . You may tolerate my little strange things , like my way of dressing , eating , music , but if I start to insult and threaten you , you have all the rights to kick me out . No matter what your Grand x10 time father did or didn't to my grand10xparents. |
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I know what he is trying to say.There are sooooo many people who are not gay and they would be mad if someone called them GAY. |
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i dont think its an insult!
WHAT MORE TIME WILL I SAY THAT? some people may find it needless and expresses it by insulting. do you like it?(thATs what amber calls freedom of expression,which i have the same opinion with you) and i dont like how my beliefs are being insulted in the same way! |
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07-02-2006, 16:53 | #105 | |
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i think countries and cultures and communities need to do more to promote tolerance and awareness of each other. its one good step towards some sort of harmony. when i was at school i had christianity rammed down my throat even though i am not a christian. yet i saw christians and muslims living next door to each other, many of my friends were of different religions and because we grew up in this way, we learned about each others religious beliefs and cultures. friends of mine who were not muslim would ask questions about my religion. this is how i ended up not resenting the constant propaganda and endless scripture classes i had to sit through. i listened and i learned. i ended up learning that muslims and christians [and later on jews] actually had a lot in common. and yes i think im well aware of the differences. but we must also remember that cultural differences will play a huge role regardless of someones religion. my family for example is indian.yet ive never been forced into an arranged marriage since my parents dont believe in arranged marriages. unfortunately for some of my cousins though with more hardline parents, they were forced into arranged marriages. my parents taught me to respect other peoples beliefs because they have the right their own beliefs and that i should never try to change that. i think ill get off my soapbox for a bit |
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I understand that Islamic world got offended by a Danish paper. Whos fault is that? The Danish paper editor. One guy who thought it isn't against any laws, except Islamic moral laws and Koran. So, is it a reason to start a global uproar, burning embassies and flags? Those people behave as a bunch of bulls - a crowd of wild prehistoric people. They are told that some one offended their belief and they throw themselves into a crusade. Agaisnt who? What are their demands?
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A question :Isnt all this a really wise game to convience everyone that muslims are ignorant and wild or whatever to make it right to start a war against Iran for its necluear facilities?? |
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rosh , I see your point and it's a pleasure to talk to you . In fact it set me thinking that if someone from the *offended part * , some muslim cleric or ...I don't know who else , could say it to the world , to the media : how sick and shallow those cartoons are to the muslim -- there will be more sense! In civilised way.... By doing what they are doing now -- they would never get any sympathy .
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Muslims burning Danish flags ( if they are their own property) - freedom of expression.
Saying, that Europe is a cancer - freedom of expression. It's my opinion, too, but for completely different reasons. Why do you want to deny them their freedom to express their annoyance? Quote:
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However, Arabs remained in control of the Iberian peninsula for several centuries and kept launching attacks on European kingdoms until the peninsula was finally fully liberated in 1492. Ottomans invaded Europe through the strait of Bosporus in 1453 (invasion of Constantinople) and occupied the Balkan region for several centuries until the fall of the Ottoman empire during WWI. Most of the occupied European territories were then freed from the Ottoman occupation except for Constantinople itself and its surroundings which were never given back to Greeks. I believe that the Arab and Ottoman invasions involved some robbing, raping, and pillaging as well and were not just about distributing flowers to European woman. And all of that happened before the colonization by Europeans. Historically, it's Muslims who invaded Europe first and presented themselves as mortal enemies of everything the European civillization stands for, and they continue today. |
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your post quotes what arab muslims did in the name of islam. and thats fine, i should have been more specific that i was thinking of africans and indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis. i dont believe it makes more sense for each of us to remain in our little pockets of the world and never venture out, and therefore i dont agree with you that people shouldnt be emigrating to europe to use your example. we need to learn about each other. and through knowledge also learn acceptance or at the very least tolerance. yes i know im an idealist. Quote:
thank you marina. i agree with you completely there. i honestly wish that muslim leaders would get out into a secular place and actually just try to explain why muslims would find these cartoons so offensive. but moreover, explain to their congregations that the countries theyre living in promote certain freedoms and that as much as anyone has to respect someones right to practise the religion of their choice, muslims must respect that there are people who choose to express themselves, even in unsavoury ways. argos : very valid points too. |
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This situation is a lot different from everything else that we had before during the past 50 years. There're no victims of unfair attacks. This time it's a religious issue only. Almost no religious twist so far was solved without a war. This time it's not about a certain country either. It already caused a chain reaction through out the world. |
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Btw, anyone got hold on those controversial cartoons? Internet is a powerful thing I guess. Time for extremists to burn IBM high quarters and CERN maybe..
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http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_i...p_mohammed.gif Haha, yeah, i remember that episode of South Park that featured Mohammed and all other religious figures, hillarious stuff (and it caused no riots ). The one about heaven running out of virgins is pretty good since this is apparently the main goal of suicide bombers, killing a bunch of random westerners sends you directly to heaven and you get 12 virgins. And i didn't know that Mohammed had a 6 year old bride, no comment. http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_i...e/20060204.gif This one is really good because it shows the hypocrisy of all this. http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_i...Legohammed.jpg Oh damn, Lego is a Danish company, we can expect anti-Lego riots now. |
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Specially for Pat:
Last week, the Lebanon Prime Minister has suggested that as France has a high raise of Muslim persons in its population, it should be logical to include some parts of the Charia in the French constitution.... The director of the french newspaper "France Soir" was fired cause he has published the caricatures. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu....ap/index.html Think I will soon ask for the Swedish Nationality, here... |
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