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04-09-2005, 23:46 | #61 |
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This hollier than thou attitude from EVERYONE in here is pissing me off. People, Copernicus called, and he said you're not the center of the universe. How about you stop giving each other a reason to be angry at the other, and focus on what's important to you? If you're not interested in helping for the victims, then don't. If you are, then by all means give with all your heart, be it money, effort, shelter, etc. The attitude everyone's getting from this thread is absolutely not helping anyone, regardless on whatever country you live in.
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actually its flipped flopped. most african americans are christian/catholic, and although they may not be exclusively republican, they agreed with many of Bush's policies [which was based on his religion] which is what won the election. The election was not tampered. Bush won it clean and fair both times. Quote:
ANother problem that I'd like to bring up is the person who was put in charge of FEMA, Michael Brown. ANyone wanna take a stab at what his previous job was? His job was to ensure that horse-show judges followed the rules and to investigate allegations against those suspected of cheating. No seriously thats what he did. Guess who appointed him? Joe Allbaugh, Bush's 2000 campaign manager who also happens to be an old friend of Brown's . Funny how it all sorta works out huh? btw. thanks for the vid qb! kanye west is freakin hilarious! |
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I am not saying I am better than. Certain people are basically saying the US is worse than. Why doesn't any get this? Because you all agree? Well, fine, think the US sucks, I do too. But my POINT, which maybe one day will be understood, is that just because the US has its faults, bad policy, crappy president, or because the people in NO didn't walk 100 miles to safety, does not mean that those people are somehow deserving of what happened to them or that the suffering they are now experiencing is warranted and to be ignored.
And you all say, I wasn't saying they were deserving, what were you saying then? When you say, they should have gotten out...what follows that reasoning? Since they didn't get out, what? They are to blame for their own misery? Then what? What are you saying? Because they are to blame, I feel no obligation to care or help? I find that callous reasoning, but think what you will. However, to think that the US maybe should have tragedy befall it so that it can experience the pain other countries feel, that is horrible philosophy, I am sorry. Feel free to disagree. And I also hope people realizing that I do not think the US is the center of the universe and that a tragedy here is somehow worse. I am not comparing tragedies. I hurt for the people in China who were hit by a typhoon the other day. I hurt for the people in Mexico. There is no comparison, pain is pain. I am not expecting people to show sympathy or compassion for US more so than any compassion they would show for any suffering. Quote:
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As for black people supporting Bush, Bush only got %16 of the Black vote. Bush got 51% of the American vote. Wow, a huge landslide. that means half of the US didn't support Bush. That isn't even counting the countless numbers who didn't vote, because what's the fucking point when both options suck ass? You know, we have two people to choose from. Two people. I hated both my choices. What are you supposed to do? Even if the majority of black people voted for Bush, what does that matter? Because of their affiliation, because they are conservative and Bush was the only conservative representative, these people are somehow less than? Because they support him, they maybe need to feel some of the pain their support of Bush has brought upon other nations? Is that really what people think? Cause if not, what exactly are people trying to say here? I don't think people are seeing the issue. No one is arguing that the US has corruption. No one is arguing that the war is a good thing. No one is arguing that Bush sucks. No one is arguing that FEMA should not have been given more money. No one is arguing that NO should have been better prepared for this. The point is that is wasn't. Why blame the people hurt by this ineptness? Or hell, to think that this same inept government is capable of handling it, thus you don’t need to show your support? And let me reiterate that I am not talking money. I am not even saying people should show support. But do not show hatred or insensitivity in the face of such tragedy. People's lives were lost. I do not want to read, while wondering if my loved one is alive, how he/she brought it upon him/herself, and how maybe we need to feel this pain. That is heartless. Even if you think you are fully justified, have a heart and shut your mouth. Wait for a better time than in the wake of death and sadness. Is civility too much to ask for? |
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05-09-2005, 01:24 | #64 | ||
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05-09-2005, 01:46 | #65 | |
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I personally think there is room to believe it was tampered. Tampered completely? No. I mean people still voted for him. As said, supposedly Kerry was winning by 3% according to exit polls. Then Bush won by 2.5%. I wonder if votes wer swapped. That would still mean over 40% of people probably voted for Bush and I, like you, am positive those people were highly influenced by his reactionary conservativism. But do I think he legally and rightfully won the presidency? No |
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05-09-2005, 05:53 | #66 | |
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Typhoon did not pound Shanghai after all , instead heading westwards to the neighbouring province. We been pre-warned about winds (well....i didn't go away ) but the typhoon changed track. By the time it hit us , typhoon had weakened to a tropical storm, drenching the area . We plunged into darkness when power lines went down , had lots of uprooted trees, fallen billboards and water...water ...water. Fortunately , we were able to come back to normal life in 2 -3 days . Even the car survived thou not everyone was that lucky -- there were plenty flood damaged cars around. |
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05-09-2005, 09:50 | #67 |
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I don't think anyone is actually saying that the people deserved this, just that the USA sucks.
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05-09-2005, 11:35 | #68 | |
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I don't see how you can bring politics into this when countries like Cuba and Venezuela are sending help too. This has nothing to do with politics, it's a humanitarian thing.
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05-09-2005, 13:12 | #69 |
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I'm not even gonna reply to your post Bitty coz we are getting no where.
I am not saying people deserve to die. I am trying to point out that recently there seems to have been a lot of "natural" disasters, surely climate change as a result from global warming is somewhere to blame? And as the environment isn't one of Bush's priorities then that is maybe why some of this is happening? I don't understand the man - he claims to be religious and uses religion as a tool againt gay marriage, yet it seems his biggest priority in life is money - I thought money was the root of all evil? He picks and chooses his beliefs to suit him. The UK has now sent 500,000 ration packs to the US, I don't see why America can't sort it out? Look at this - http://www.aneki.com/richest.html - surely America can afford it?! Anyway, that is my last post on the matter. |
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It's not the greenhouse effect per se, the climate changes were going to happen anyway - scientists knew about them years ago - it's just that the greenhouse effect can escalate them further.
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05-09-2005, 16:31 | #71 | |
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Someone forwarded this to me. Right on the mark.
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05-09-2005, 17:24 | #72 |
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Recap of the Tsunamis
UN : This is emergency! Bush : Mm’kay, 35 bucks, there you go. Now, let’s go back to Middle East! There are more people to kill and oil to dig up! UN : Stingy! US government : Our apology! The president forgot to add seven digits of zero after 35! Bush : Are you guys nuts? Those third world countries don’t cost anything! They don’t even own anything from the start! But, hell, you guys are the ones to make decisions because I don’t know how. Bleh! 2 weeks before Katrina Bush : Huh, mm’kay. Let me enjoy my vacation, will ya? I work so damn hard to send all of the US troops to Iraq! New Orleans : Pain is temporary. Pride is forever. We are not leaving. (We can’t afford to leave. We don’t have a car!) 2 days before Katrina Mayor : Ok. Let’s move people out. It’s a bit late, but that’s okay. It can’t be that bad because God has always blessed America. 2 days AFTER Katrina Bush : Katrina is a disaster all right! It’s even worse than the Tsunamis because my vacation is cut short! Dickhead vice president : Chill out, Gorge. Let those people starve. We don’t need their votes anymore anyway. (I’m still on my vacation). Bush : There’s more, Dickie! We lost a city! All the polluted water will be dumped into the Gulf of Mexico, polluting it for the next ten years! Katrina had just destroyed one third of the sources of oil the US uses! Dickhead :AND after we spent all of the soldiers’ lives in Iraq, we don’t even get their oil! That’s why I need longer vacation! Poor US citizens : OUCH. -------------------------------------- Reality? The US has helped the rest of the world in many occasions, but don’t be so naïve to think that their motive in going to war with Iraq is to help those poor people from the ex-dictator. CNN is owned by the Republican. Brainwash. Brainwash. Image. Image. Oil. Oil. The US government got a big slap in its face now that they can’t even control the oil in Iraq, while they let their own people suffer. The world is so sad, indeed. In case you haven't heard, please visit http://www.democracynow.org/ It is the source of news that lives on by donation. It isn't owned by a corp. |
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06-09-2005, 04:20 | #73 |
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Hey everyone...
I was in South Mississippi with my family during Hurricane Katrina. The first floor of our house was flooded, most of my clothes, and almost everthing my familiy owns was destroyed. We were trapped upstairs for two days with flood water downstairs. I really thought I was going to die. And to make matters worse, I also have a kidney infection. Our power was out for a week (its been really hot) which means no air conditioning which made it even more miserable. But its good to finally let some of my friends know I am atleast still alive... This was by far the worst week of my life. And the scary thing is, there's a new storm starting where Katrina formed... |
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06-09-2005, 04:45 | #74 |
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Heya, Celtic Jobber... I'm sorry to hear you went through so much misery. I'm praying for you to get better of your kidney infection soon, and for the health and welfare of your family. I'm glad to know you're alive.
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06-09-2005, 06:39 | #75 |
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Thanks darje, it means alot.
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07-09-2005, 18:02 | #76 |
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well my parents and I are going to be doing are part. The house that i grew up in..we no longer live in...my parents moved to the country...So we decided we are going to invite a few families to live in the house...
Its the least we can do ...its not much but it something...to give them a chance to start over... |
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Im happy to hear your okay Celtic! Please keep up us updated on your situation and if there is anything that I can do, I'll be glad to help! Quote:
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Celtic Jobber, oh wow I'm so sorry to hear about that! I'm glad you got through it though.. Seems like the *worst* is over I wish you all the best. |
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