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Originally Posted by freddie

Those "Arab leaders" are usually leaders of terrorist groups which Israel hunts down for national security reasons. Things they take action against ARE a threat when they do it.

See? You're justifying the breaking of international law when it's Israel that does it, it's the typical American stance: Israel can do no wrong, Israel is always right.

Originally Posted by freddie

Arab point of view doesn't matter when it comes to borders recognized by the UN and the international community.

I think we all realize that the Arab point of view doesn't matter indeed, it's the all tragedy of the region, Arabs represent 99% of the population, but their point of view has never mattered. And give me a break about the UN and international law, we all know that the US and Israel only respect the UN and international law when they suit their needs and don't give a shit about them when they don't (the murder of those UN observers a few days ago show how much Israel respect the UN, and it was no mistake, Israel regularly murders UN representatives as a 'warning', the first of their victims was UN mediator Folke Bernadotte who was murdered by Israelis in 1948).
The only law that matters in the Middle-East is the American law, either you agree with the US and you are good, or you disagree and you are evil, as simple as that. This brilliant logic leads to obvious double standards: if Israel uses terrorism to achieve its goals, it's right and justified, if Arabs do the same, it's wrong and evil; if Israel annexes Arab territories, it's right and fair, if Arabs try to regain those territories, it's wrong and illegal; if Arabs captures a few Israeli soldiers, it's wrong and criminal, if Israel retaliates by killing hundreds of civilians, it's right and justified; if anyone sends weapons to Lebanon so they can defend themselves, it's illegal and evil, if the US sends tons of high-tech weapons to Israel so they can coninue the attack, it's right and justified.

Originally Posted by freddie

But I don't think for a minute not them or the US had destroying Lebanon on their agenda any time soon.

The destruction of Lebabon was planned, no date was set, but it was planned, you don't send back an entire country to stone age just because of a border incident if you were not already planning to do it. And yes, Lenanon was a success story, all the more reasons for Israel to destroy it, Israel does not want healthy Arab countries on its borders, it wants agonizing Arabs struggling to stay alive.

Originally Posted by freddie

In 1947 an UN proposal was on the table - Israel accepted it, Arabs didn't. As simple as that.

Of course Israel accepted, they were offered half a territory that belonged to somebody else, who would say no to that? And of course Palestinians refused, half of their land was being stolen from them, who would accept such a 'deal'?



As a side note, beyond the murder of UN mediator Folke Bernadotte by the Israelis, people who think Israel is run by angels may want to check those pages on Irgun and Lehi, the terrorist arm of Israel in the early days. Those Israeli terrorists murdered hundreds of people and were of course never punished for their actions, quite the contrary, most of them like Yitzhak Shamir became prominent politicians or formed the Mossad (the organization that now conducts Israel's terrorist actions), another example that 'terrorism' is often a question of perspective, if you win you are a hero, if you lose you are a criminal. The hypocrisy being of course that israel which was built on terrorism now condems Arabs for doing exactly the same.