hmm, i just saw this thread.
i have to say that i agree to all of you to some level. but my opinion is this: madonna has never had a message in her music that would have an impact on people's personal lives. all she does is entertain, that's it. and she does it by means of promoting sexuality. in a well distorted, exaggerated way - maybe not in all her songs/vids/performances, but still. i mean that woman has created an image for herself that just screams 'sex'. she could be bi in real life, but who cares really? i mean she 'fucked' a stage for pete's sake (that notorious 'like a virgin' performace?). even now, she's a married woman with 2 kids and i tell you it wouldn't surprise me if she'd french-kiss michael jackson or shag sheeps on stage! well... i dont believe she's THAT tasteless, but, please, kissing shitney & xtina? that would be just taking it one step further.
anyway, my point, right?
well, madonna does it all for entertainment and people know that by now. what tATu did was take it far beyond entertainment, right down to the individual's heart and back. they created the 'gay' phenomenon in pop culture (and particularly in music) at the beginning of the 21st century. Madonna had stopped kissing women in vids 10 years earlier and the kiss between her, titney and xtina took place AFTER tATu were already well-known. the kiss between the 2 guys in xtina's "beautiful" video took place also after that. same-sex kissing in blink 182 and robbie's vids took place AFTER the tATu phenomenon. but these 'imitations', if you will, belong to another story.
so, FINALLY, what i want to say is that madonna has drawn a line between the entertainer and the person she is. whileas with tATu it was different (i'm talking about the "200 km/h.." era here). by the people with brains, they weren't perceived as having a "oh they're so hot! yeah, kiss some more for daddy" type of image. their message was not a sexual one, but a rather spiritual one. which is more than i can say for madonna. but that's not a bad thing. it's just that madonna has a different image than the one tATu had and you just can't compare the two.
for me, the kiss between madonna and those two 'pop-princesses-my-ass' had absolutely no effect whatsoever. i didn't hate it and i didn't love it. like i neither hate, nor love love porn-stars kissing and what not on the internet, tv, in mags etc etc etc. it's just a shallow thing, all based on visuals. tATu were FAR beyond that. they were so brilliantly produced that they worked on every possible angle.
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Originally Posted by darje
they're the ONLY pop artist I've never heard or read that said "my whole career was inspired by Madonna".
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and the only ones in the world to say that Kylie Minogue looks like their grandmother
and, btw, this again come to prove that tATu aren't to be compared to anyone, because they were unique.