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concy 10-03-2004 17:08

STS Channel: 14 March, "Tatu in Podnebesnaya | afterword"
 
Don't miss last episode of reality show "t.A.T.u. in Podnebesnaya | afterword".
What exactly will happen to t.A.T.u. group? What will they do? Will they record new album? Will they stay the due?...

Check it out this weekend: 14 March, 2004 at 23:05

tatu.fatal.ru

Unplugged 10-03-2004 17:11

"Will they not answer any of those questions and keep torturing their fans?" :lalala: :p

Lena410 10-03-2004 17:19

another last episode? *lol* why does that *not* surprise me. *grins* I hope we'll se a lot of the girls at least..Im pretty pissed at masnki as it is..if he would have *tried* to get them in the picture as less as possible he wouldn't have been this successful :rolleyes:
thanks concy for the news! :D

EDIT: will this be instead of the virtual world tour or a part of it? cause the best hits thing is sheduled on the same day...

RowerB 10-03-2004 17:31

Thanks for the info concy.

Quote:

Originally posted by staringelf
"Will they not answer any of those questions and keep torturing their fans?" :lalala: :p
That hit the nail on the head.

Lux 10-03-2004 17:54

thanks concy


seriously torture = boredom

LenochkaO 10-03-2004 23:01

While everyone else will be focused on the presidential election that will take place that day (i.e. by exactly how big a margin Putin will win), Tatu fans around the world will be going "Sod the election, we wanna know what's happening with Tatu!"

haku 11-03-2004 00:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Lena410
will this be instead of the virtual world tour or a part of it? cause the best hits thing is sheduled on the same day...
It's the same thing, Manski has always said that they would air a final show on the 14th if the album was not released that day.

[deleted to avoid unnecessary debate]

Edit: I wanted to add that the teaser "What exactly will happen to t.A.T.u. group? What will they do? Will they record new album? Will they stay the due?..." was written by tatu.fatal themselves. STS site doesn't say anything about the episode except its title.

thegurgi 11-03-2004 01:34

haku, epilogue and afterword are pretty basically the same thing...................

hrmm, so we have no clue about this Show is really going to be about.... but i guess epilogue's are a bit more.... FINAL

haku 11-03-2004 01:52

Quote:

Originally posted by thegurgi
haku, epilogue and afterword are pretty basically the same thing
"послесловие" does litterally mean "afterword" and after checking further it seems that Russian use the same word for "afterword" and "epilog" so let's pretend i said nothing.

thegurgi 11-03-2004 03:52

OK Haku... hehe, if you didn't notice, i contradicted myself in my own post. i meant not to start anything, you didn't need to delete it.

i guess it's fruitless now... we haven't a clue what's going on at all! :: but, then again :: did we ever?

forre 14-03-2004 16:45

[Epilogue] Tatu In Podnebesnaya. Release from 14.03.04. [aka Ep. 14]
 
t.A.T.u. in Podnebesnaya – Epilogue

We are to watch one of the most delightful episodes of the project: lots of clips from their concerts will help to dive in the atmosphere of grand success and national pride – many love t.A.T.u. just because these young ladies gave many Russians the possibility to experience again this already forgotten feeling …

Vitaly Mansky commented this episode:
“This is the enigma of t.A.T.u. – they are able to put everything upside down. As a result, everything that was supposed to serve as a prologue, a fairy-tale of conquering the world with their first album, finally turned into an epilogue, because there was not a single new word said by anyone. The new album, in the format that was expected, didn’t happen at all, that’s why, here in epilogue, we remind about the joy of the success of our co-citizens on the world stage. They sold SEVEN MILLIONS copies of their discs! They received 15 platinum and 20 gold discs in different countries, including those countries where no Russian artists have been known before.”

A presentation of the compilation Podnebesnaya CD took place on March, 11. One t.A.T.u. track, one Ivan Demyan’s track and 10 tracks of new, absolutely unknown artists appeared on that CD. Those 10 artists are the winners, that will score success and acknowledgement. Thousands of people sent their work to Podnebesnaya during the past months, but only those 10 lucky ones managed to win the attention of the leaders of Neformat. A few personalities were spotted at the presentation: Arthur Gasparyan, Edward Limonov, Vitaly Mansky, Ilya Legostaev and Ivan Denyan … all, except t.A.T.u.

The day after, Vitaly shared with us his experience from his first and the only one visit to Podnebesnaya, not as a director but as a guest:

“I heard this album on a CD and it produced a better impression on me this time, than yesterday when I, a sort of heard it together with another invited guests. This new creation of Neformat has not even a one-hundredth part of the chance to get the same success as the first t.A.T.u. album in the world”.

Well now, it looks like an end. The project came to its final. Is it really so?

Mansky: “ I would finish it with the following phrase: If to speak about the future of the former t.A.T.u. artists, I’d still believe that all thinkable versions are possible – from the fact that in a month they’ll return to the Neformat’s nest, and to the fact that they left for a cloister or Mars, as well as some other producer may take them under his wings. So, they'll sing that first album again. The second album won’t happen anyway. Ever. Thinking of the second album, we don’t speak about some dummy blank disc with a bunch of songs. Instead, we speak about another success! Without Shapovalov, they won’t be able to repeat such a success. It’s pointless for another producer to put something into them … Those t.A.T.u. have grown up now. Of course, a one can think of something new, but where is the point to create something new for “somebody else’s children”.

Extra episodes of Podnebesnaya. Are they possible?

Mansky: “Yes, they are possible. It’s necessary to somehow cross all “t’s” in a way as the life itself will show. That’s why if the girls sue Shapovalov and will try to take the label from him, I think it’s possible that it will be shot on cameras and shown. The project needs some final dot.”

Translation: TatySite.net Team

RowerB 14-03-2004 17:12

Thanks for the preview forre.
Quote:

The second album won’t happen anyway. Ever.
I think Mansky has gone mad now.

haku 14-03-2004 17:13

Thanks for the translation forre :rose:

It sounds like the end alright... But Mansky is wrong when he says it would be pointless for another producer to take the girls, they have talent and potential, they just need a good management team. They can still have a lot of success and generate a lot of money, and that's why i can see a lot of producers being interested in taking them.

crni 14-03-2004 17:15

Quote:

Mansky: “ I would finish it with the following phrase: If to speak about the future of the former t.A.T.u. artists, I’d still believe that all thinkable versions are possible – from the fact that in a month they’ll return to the Neformat’s nest, and to the fact that they left for a cloister or Mars, as well as some other producer may take them under his wings. So, they'll sing that first album again. The second album won’t happen anyway. Ever. Thinking of the second album, we don’t speak about some dummy blank disc with a bunch of songs. Instead, we speak about another success! Without Shapovalov, they won’t be able to repeat such a success. It’s pointless for another producer to put something into them … Those t.A.T.u. have grown up now. Of course, a one can think of something new, but where is the point to create something new for “somebody else’s children”.
very interesting paragraph...makes one to really think about the future...and makes me confused...again... :ithink:

btw, tnx for the translation, forre ;)

Rob 14-03-2004 17:15

Re: [Epilogue] Tatu In Podnebesnaya. Release from 14.03.04. [aka Ep. 14]
 
Thank You forre for the translation.

Quote:

... That’s why if the girls sue Shapovalov and will try to take the label from him, I think it’s possible that it will be shot on cameras and shown....
Ivan might regret the day he hired Mansky, 'cause that quote sounds like Mansky was eager to film the girls cutting Ivan's head and presenting it on a tray.

forre 14-03-2004 17:18

Hey, ppl! Mansky is hardly any music expert. Wasn't he in the documentary business? ;) It's just his opinion, that's all.

thegurgi 14-03-2004 20:15

i'm confused....

the show is airing NOW... so why do we have a report?!

oh, i guess it says "we are To watch"... hrmmm,

forre 14-03-2004 20:17

The insider's report from Artem
 
The episode consists of the clips from 4 t.A.T.u. gigs from 2003: Bonn, St. Petersburg and 2 from Tokyo. I’d say that the director managed to choose the most spicy and at the same time the most “vivid” shots. This final episode is a pure treasure for fans and I think that it will be spread over the internet very quickly. There we’ll see not quite sober behaviour of the girls and rather chilling statements.

Lena Katina: “Today I understood a very important thing – I’m a total ham and I’d better get out of the show business, not to destroy it. Though, everything is already destroyed to hell. I need to get through my first education and start studying law.”

So we see clips from the live performances and simply from the tours. The clips are backed up with the songs, followed by the titles with the songwriters’ names in this order: Not Gonna Get Us, Prostye Dvizheniya, Malchik Gay, Ne Ver, Ne Boisya, Show Me Love, Klouny, 30 Minutes, Stars and ATTSS.

The biggest part of the performances shown is taken from Bonn. More than half of the material has been already aired but the rest is worth to be seen.

At the end we see the script: “Today, group t.A.T.u. stopped their performances and the recording of their second album. Old songs remain with us.”

Further, there’s a video to the song “I will” (Zashishatsya Ochkami).

Source: Artem (http://www.tatulife.kulichki.net/)

Thanks to him!

haku 14-03-2004 20:29

Thanks for the report Artem and forre for translating. :D

Yep, this is the end. :none:

crni 14-03-2004 20:39

Quote:

“Today, group t.A.T.u. stopped their performances and the recording of their second album. Old songs remain with us.”
damn, that sounds like they died :(

tnx Artem and forre.

Kappa 14-03-2004 20:41

A... ham?

Veggie Delite 14-03-2004 20:49

Quote:

Originally posted by darje
A... ham?
:ithink:



k...this sounds bad. :none:

Rob 14-03-2004 21:23

Thanks Artem and forre.

Pretty much what I expected from this episode. :none:

tatyruv 14-03-2004 21:43

Thanks for the translation Artem & Forre

angeljas01 14-03-2004 21:45

Thanks Forre and Artem...so so sad :(

Mossopp 14-03-2004 23:06

R.I.P. t.A.T.u. :( :( :( :(

nasnedagoniat 14-03-2004 23:17

Re: The insider's report from Artem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by forre
At the end we see the script: “Today, group t.A.T.u. stopped their performances and the recording of their second album. Old songs remain with us.”
Ummm.... What, they've stopped their performances, i.e. acting like they are in conflict with Ivan? They have stopped the recording of their second album, as in... it is complete and it will be released soon? Old songs remain with us.... yeah, and so what? Maybe I'm in denial(not the person), but this all still seems very surreal. *runs off in tears* I don't wanna talk about it!

Mossopp 14-03-2004 23:27

Quote:

“Today, group t.A.T.u. stopped their performances and the recording of their second album. Old songs remain with us.”


The above quote can be taken in three ways:

1. tATu from this day are no more. There will be no more performances and no more new songs. All that we have left of them are the songs and performances they have already given us.

2. tATu have stopped their acting. No more scams and publicity stunts. What we can now look forward to is a new tATu free of scandals and bullshit.

3. The above quote is just another load of shite dreampt up by Ivan to generate yet more interest in the future of tATu.

Now, I think we can totally discount Option 2 cos the day tATu abandon the scandals is the day I go straight!
Option 3 is a possibility but if Option 3 was the case then that would mean that Julia and Lena's alledged law suit against Vanya and Neformat was all a sham and I don't think that it was. :spy:
This only leaves us with Option 1 - the death of tATu. :(

samegirl 14-03-2004 23:35

I guess we have been watched closely the rise and fall of a band that could have been an icon in the music bussiness because of everything they meant and they did...
I still have good feeling about it, i still have hope that everything is going to be alright and they still be making music, of course they have to start it all over again and they can. Other bands with worst problems that a bad and crazy producer did it in the past, so If yulia and Lena want they could do it...
I'm not asking if this is the end of tatu, or if lena and yulia would ever sing again...i just have one question...after all this fakeness will they want it to?
And...The worst part is that the whole world is bashing the girls, and if we look closer we know that they are not responsible for what's happening, maybe in a way,,,but they are not the main responsibles.
I would like to see Yul and Lena speaking to us, their fans and telling us that they are going to be working, that they have plans and everything is going to be ok, that they decided to fire shappy for the behalf of their career...but they haven't say nothing...only in the interview in yul's b-day where she says that they were a duet...but after this circus...That statement is not enough...Now more than ever we need to hear something from them.
Enough with the rumours...i need some certainity :(...
I want yul and Lena recording a second album, with any name they can think...taty... formely known as tatu or whatever...i just need to know something :( and i don't want this to end! :cry:

Mossopp 14-03-2004 23:51

Quote:

Originally posted by darje
A... ham?
"A ham" is a slang expression for a bad actor.

thegurgi 15-03-2004 00:16

Quote:

acting like they are in conflict with Ivan? They have stopped the recording of their second album, as in... it is complete and it will be released soon?
Hrmmm.... You know, that's the thing. That COULD be so, 'we've stopped pretending and we aren't recording anymore' ... because the album is done.

I dunno, i honestly DON'T know how to feel, and i don't like this at all...

any one with the Podnebesnaya Album? I want to hear the whole of Belochka

Kappa 15-03-2004 00:28

Mossopp, thank you. :) To be a ham in here is to be hot.

Anyhoo. I'm not even paying that much attention. Lena's panties still have me in shock. But in the latest info I've gotten Ivan looks like he's a 'ho on crack half of the time, and this looks serious. I would be tired of working for a man that isn't serious about his job, too. I mean, he's even more of a drama queen than Yul.

So whatever the real outcome is. *Shrug.* Lena won't stop being my goddess and the subject of all my dreams, wet or otherwise, because Tatu is no more. ^_^ If it's all over, well, it was the DAMNEDEST BEST TIME OF MY LIFE.

samegirl 15-03-2004 01:36

Darje says:

Quote:

So whatever the real outcome is. *Shrug.* Lena won't stop being my goddess and the subject of all my dreams, wet or otherwise, because Tatu is no more.
And I TOTALLY agree with her! she is and she will be always my goddess...

Lux 15-03-2004 01:50

this is sad. i actually want to believe t.A.T.u. is over. many bits of information tell me that they aren't over and i just don't believe they are over.

QueenBee 15-03-2004 03:29

I'm with Lux. Stupid complicated world! :p

thegurgi 15-03-2004 03:57

i've always enjoyed mind games... but this is getting irritating... i don't want this to be the end, and maybe i can continue to live in denial for awhile, i just want an answer, but i don't see an opening for one....

xena225 15-03-2004 08:53

Quote:

Originally posted by forre
Hey, ppl! Mansky is hardly any music expert. Wasn't he in the documentary business? ;) It's just his opinion, that's all.
Thanks for the report, forre and thanks for that comment.
Quote:

Mansky: Without Shapovalov, they won’t be able to repeat such a success.
Well well well. We'll see about that. :) After seeing episodes 3 and 4 (and even Anatomy to a certain extent), I doubt Mr. Manski ever realized just how instrumental Yulia and Lena are in making tATu such a success story.

My impression after watching these two episodes (and reading this latest report) is that Mr. Manski totally underestimates the girls and their importance for the project. I also have the suspicion that he never really connected with them (maybe it's the fact that he's a middle-aged man, and they are two young women, I don't know). He only scratches the surface. He was, that seems to be painfully obvious by now, always much more interested in Ivan. Ivan Ivan Ivan.

I noticed that whenever he has the chance to show either the girls or Ivan, he shows Ivan. Even if Ivan is just sitting around twiddling his thumbs or doing his nails, while the girls are talking animatedly in the background. Too bad really.

And another pearl of wisdom (HA!) from another middle-aged man:
Quote:

Ivan did not make any comments on the absence of the Tatu girls except to say "Only stupid viewers need the girls".
:blabla: :laugh:

I think both of those guys will be VERY surprised once they realize just how important Yulia and Lena were and are for the project tATu.

So - don't R.I.P. tATu just yet, folks. :flag:

xena225

Lux 15-03-2004 10:00

yeah, that ^

Lena410 15-03-2004 14:34

Thanks forre and Artem!!

well I dont know what to think. Francly Lena and Yulia both acted as if they would want to continue with a different management so where does manski now that they stopped from?

well this is a mess I don't want to think bout right now.

Lena is a goddess and she'll be that even if she's not a memeber of tatu anymore. Gonna love her for that forever :gigi: ^^

Unplugged 15-03-2004 18:18

Quote:

And another pearl of wisdom (HA!) from another middle-aged man
xena225, Ivan is not middle-aged yet. :laugh: But yeah, I agree with what you said concerning Mansky. What does HE know? He speaks as Shapovalov is the only producer who can make good music in Russia. pfff


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