Any fans left?
 

Okay. Most people, after the documentary, have taken my change of attitude at offense but after a bit of self analyzing I realize I haven't changed at all. I'm offended that people dare insinuate I have changed my attitude when who has changed is them and their attitude towards the girls. It's been far from innuendo what a lot of people says: "They are fake, liars, they abused my trust, they suck, I should burn my stuff, I spent more than <insert your entire bank account in here> in them and it dissapointed me". Curiously, tho', these people also happened to be celebrity-fans, those fans whose names you could mention in any forum and they'd know who they were.

I won't change my opinion. Whomever is saying this is just plainly a hypocrit. Hmmm. Let's rememorate. Hadn't Rachel (I Love Yulia been unable to muster up the courage to come out to her parents before she knew of Tatu? Wasn't Haku an optimistic overaged fanatic of Lena with a thing for saying dirty jokes? Wasn't TvA the biggest source of unknown pics of the girls, and a huge fanatic of Yulia? You know as what I see this? Fidget/Kate B./Katbeidar is having her field day now that more people support her word, and it sucks. It's making real fans suffer and almost no one realizes how depressing the thing is getting. Darwinism at it's freaking most. And now look at Rachel, she's depressed because "they lied to her". Haku's depressed because "he's a fool that fell for their lies". Katbeidar is proposing a fekking anti-tatu forum, and forre and Echoed, and I include myself, are getting tired of fighting against the windmills.

This is the thing. If people don't start realizing how badly they've managed to break the forum, I'm giving a thought on leaving and taking the last real fans with myself. I know Igor is gonna come to this thread and tell me not to let the door hit my butt, and hey, that's a nice reccomendation, but I really can't muster the strenght to keep on either bringing up or fighting everyone who is now dissapointed. Don't you realize how selfish you're being, how those years of selfless fanatism have gone down the drain? How the family Tatysiters fought so hard to create is slowly falling apart because no one even considerates that just a person from the English board has seen that freaking documentary I'm sick of talking about and haven't even seen?

Theres really no need to 'fight'. You cant impose your feelings towards an situation on others. People can't help it if they feel betrayed or hurt, its just how they feel. In the end when the smoke clears, doubts will be answered or confirmed.

Odd enough, I could be one of the people your adressing this thread to. Ive been a fan for over a year now, invested an healthy amount of money on cd's, magazines etc. Believed they were a couple err 'loved' each other. But *shrugs* im not heart broken..im not crying a river. I expected the best and i was ready for the worst, so its all good for me.

So hey, if people want to sulk and cry, i say go on cry a river. Whatever makes ya feel better. Just dont burn those tatu stuff, i mean atleast let me take em off your hands. I mean it would take too much effor to have to start a fire and throw things in the fire..sheesh. Just send it over to me and i promise you'll never see it again :D


Has anyone seen this "documentary"?? lol

darje, No, no, little darje, no need to fight. I'm sure you've spoken out of your heart. Some wise words, maybe be too emotionally loaded but wise. Great head you have and most of all a very kind heart. It shows.

:rose:

I loved them before, I love them now.
This documentary changed nothing for me, maybe cause I knew all those things and love them despite all that.

darje, the whole "People vs Tatu" forum idea is to IMPROVE the current Tatu forum. To avoid the real fans seeing negative comments, you are missing the point. If anything, you should be supporting that forum. This way the real fans will hang out on the Tatu forum and be positive or whatever you real fans do. :gigi:

And it is my fault that Tatu's actions repel some of their fans?

Yes, some people changed their views on Tatu. It still doesn't mean that they are not interested in the girls. Heck, I am interested in them. :heh: This is going to sound cliche, but different people take things differently.

Don't worry, things will turn around, and all of the fans will get the negativity out of their system, if you support the idea I am proposing. Cuz some of them are afraid to express themselves, and thus make little negative comments everywhere. Maybe getting ALL of it out in words will help them see Tatu from a different side.

katbeidar, answer this: Where is the fun in a forum created for hate, for ex-fans who consider themselves to have been through treason and do nothing byt cry their misery? Your lack of humanity appalls me. You're proposing to create a forum full of sadness and self humilliation and that is something that even with my own lack of self respect, I wouldn't raise my hand for.

I could say I don't understand you, but truth is, now I do. You're amused at this documentary and you're unconsciously feeding on the dissapointment of the depressed fans. This forum was one of the best ever because everyone disented in a more or less polite way. If a fan became dissilusioned, he/she expressed it and it was worked out by everyone, for the member's sake, so if it was his/her choice to leave, it would be justified and everyone learned from it. Don't you see that this isn't that forum anymore? Who would be the mod of that anti-tatu forum, you?

If they desire to mope and express their feelings, why haven't they opened a thread in the personal forum?

Jan, :done: Way to go. I admire you.

forre, yes, sadly, I'm a bit overexhausted over all the events around the forum, and that may provoke my sentimental loaded words. *Smiles.* But thank you for your kind words.

Darje.....i love you....hihihihi.....:heart:
edit: not for all your post but just for a liitle sentence...

Tatysite is still a forum Darje, don't worry...just as the old couples : they fight and after they speak as if nothing has happened...
It's just the pain which needs time to go away....after it will be better...don't worry ...a lot of people are abble to think about their attitude , here, and after are abble to adapt their behaviour....this is the great asset of Tatysite: the majority of its members are "good", "well" people.

Re: Any fans left?
 

Yeah, that is true, but it was their supposed "honestly" that affected me so much. :(

Every straight person has their straight music, and what did we have? Tatu. And even they turned out to be fake. Doesn't that tell you something? We have no one.

I love them. They made me feel comfortable with my sexuality. No matter which one they have. To be honest I can't imagine what could change my opinion about them. But not a documentary that I haven't even seen.

To be honest I'm more hurt by the bashing and fighting going on in the forum than I ever could be by the documentary. This was my home for months. It just doesn't feel like it anymore. I partly feel unwanted because I'm not one of the people who changed their opinion. Maybe that's just my paranoia.

I_Love_Yulia, one thing I'd like to ask you. Could you prove to me that they are fake?

What more proof do you need? Yulia has a boyfriend, she had an abortion, she's took heroin, Lena is a religious maniac who thinks what she's doing is a huge sin.

Can you prove to me they're real?

I_Love_Yulia, you just made me laugh. That's like quoting Bush to say that the Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I saw Yulia live. A week after that supposed abortion. Lena had stomache ache and couldn't dance and they were joking that she was pregnant instead. Yulia was lively and jumping around happily. One of my close friends who is pretty much like Yulia had an abortion too. She didn't look that way after a month. I won't even say what she looked like after a week.

And what if she tried heroin? did they ever say drugs are bad? or don't take them? and what if they did? maybe she learned from it?

so you know hate everyone whos religious and goes to confession? good to know how openminded you are.

I haven't seen the supposed bf but what if it was a fling? if she and lena had a break in their relationship? and now they are back together?

the fact is that I can't prove to you that they are real and you can't prove that they aren't. That's what this is all about. Everyone is fighting and no one KNOWS antyhing.

Remember what Yulia looked like at her birthday? She didn't look too good to me. That was around the time of the apparent abortion.
This is a quote from "Now UK" magazine:

They seem rather anti there to me!
I hate any religion that looks down on me because of my orientation. Nothing wrong with that!
Pasha has been following Yulia around for months. Fling? I doubt it.

all i have to say:
 

I completely agree on this... :done:

No need to say more

You know you saw pics of Yulia at her birthday. I saw that girl live for over an hour. I saw her get into the car. I saw her wave at me from her window that was less then 10 cm away. If she looked bad then she never looked good in any of the pics and vids I have seen.

Yes they are anti there. And Yulia herself said that she knew people who took drugs and that she pities them. I know a lot of people who tried drugs and would tell you the same. Because some realise that only after they tried themselves. What would be so bad if she tried it herself? Once?

*lol* I know a lot of boys who've been following girls around for months and there wasn't even a fling. He following her does not mean anything to me. And everyone who had been watching me and my male friend yesterday would think we are a couple. Are we one? No. Has he been sometimes following me for months? Yes, because he is one of my best friends.

and the religion thing? Yeah. I do hate the religion itself too. But I do not hate people I don't know just because of the religion they have. And Lena according to the doc you are quoting never said that she thinks that homosexuallity is a sin.

*Raises her hand to prove she is a fan*

I'll come back with comments later.

F yeah
 

I'm still a fan.

Actually I was starting lose interest for a while. I mean I can only listen to the same cd so many times, and their attepts at scandals were getting more and more pathetic. This whole documentary thing has sparked a new interest for me. I never believed that they were really lesbians, so my opinion will probably differ from a lot of others on this. There were just way too many things that made it seem very unlikely(I won't go into all that right now). That was actually part of what turned me on to them in the first place. Next to the fact that the music is great and they are beautiful, I just thought it was funny that they had such a great marketing plan, and were stirring up so much convtrovesy in the UK and US. It was all very entertaining. Now they are saying that in real life they are homophobic, everything Taty stands for is a sin, etc. I mean as terrible as I think those statements are, the irony of the whole thing is so rediculous that I can't help finding the whole thing amusing to say the least. Not to mention the whole abortion and heroin issues. I don't know, I just can't help but laugh at how rediculous it all is.

Now I know t.A.T.u. helped a lot of young people come out and feel much more secure about their sexuality, which I thought was a great thing. I'm sure everything I said above really won't apply to these people, and I can completely understand why they would be disappointed. With all of the crap out there in pop music, its rare that there is an artist that can possibly have such a personal impact on a lot of people. I'm sure all these fans feel terrible. I can't personally comprehend that feeling since I can't really relate with that.

I havn't even seen the documentary myself, but I still wonder how true it is anyway. I'll have to see it to make a real judgement, but I get the impression that most of it is just them talking to the camera, which still doesn't proove anything to be true. I mean some of the things they said are pretty absurd, I don't doubt the possibilty that those things were just said to make more of a scandal out of the whole t.A.T.u. project because a gerenal interest in the group was dwindling. It would not be suprising for Ivan and the girls to do that, considering their past attempts at scandals. I dunno, I guess I'll have to see it first to form a better opinion. Whether it's ture or not doesn't really change anything for me, I find it quite amusing either way. I would just really like to see some new music soon.

I can understand that you’re upset and disappointed but I think you're also overreacting a little bit.

Who told you they weren't honest? A “documentary” that you haven’t seen yet. Why not wait till you know all the facts?

I can tell you exactly where I can see the honesty of tAtu – I can see it in many pics, in many videos just by the little gestures which tell me that they really care for each other.

Are they together in a sexual way? No, apparently not. They love each other but not in a sexual way. So, what is the problem for you?

The message of tATu is not “Hey, here we are, and we’re lesbians.” No, the message is “Love whoever you want to love. Don’t be afraid of the opinion of other people. Be who and how you are.”

This message does not say that it's easy, but this message has also given a lot of people (even you) a little bit more strength to be themselves. And it doesn't mean that Yulia and Lena have already managed to be themselves. There is always a struggle, and that is what I see in the reports of the documentary. They struggle to be themselves, they have made mistakes of course, but THEY ARE HUMAN!!! They have a right to make mistakes.

Here are a fews artists who are REALLY LESBIAN: Melissa Etherigde, K.D. Lang, Alex Parks (I don’t know her music, but she is a really lesbian ;) )… I will edited this post, when I remember more, okay?

So maybe that's where you can find the music which you need for yourself.

And finally here is what Yulia said about t.A.T.u. a little while ago:

”If I were a fan, I’d trustfully follow t.A.T.u. We give self-confidence. We give a sort of positive emotions… If to look at our group from the outside, I see nothing negative in our group. It’s not because of me and Lena. This group gives strength to people.”

I take this quote and follow them.

Nike

My problem Nike is that they lied. No one can excuse that. They lied for 3 whole years to thousands of people.

BTW, it's Alex PARKS, not Sparks!

Thanks for the correction :rose:

Have they really lied to us?

They said that they love each other - so, it's really their fault that the people always believe love=sex. I don't think so. There were so many signs in their interviews that they may be not together as a love-couple, but we didn't want to see this (me included) mostly because we want to believe it so badly.

Just my opinion.
Nike

I'll transfer a quote I just put in another thread -

"We're friends, sisters, lovers." - Quote by Lena. Erm...do they make love? Erm...no. So did she lie? Yes.

When you take "lovers" for making love, yeah.

But can it be, that she has just say that they love each other more than friends, more than sisters - just not in a sexual way ?

I believe in this possibility.

Nike

I don't believe in any "middle" friendship/relationships. Either they're friends or in love with each other. I love my friends, but I'm not in love with them and I don't tell people that they are my lovers!

Lena has enough of a grasp of English to understand what "lovers" means.

Well I have no idea what interview it was, but didn't they say "We have sex three times a day"? I didn't take it seriously, but they DID lie.

I think that quote was originally reported in some German mag/newspaper and not many people belived they ever said it. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but they've sure lied many times.

count me in darje :done:

but anyway , IMHO , a lil bit overreacting is not good Real_Lesbian , we still haven't see the documentary YET , for God sake !! Jumping on negative conclusions and accusing the girls before knowing the truth ( if the documentary is a real truth ) wouldn't make ur feeling any better , trust me .... i understand maybe u felt 'betrayed' and sad hearing all the 'bad' news ( :rose: for you ) but still , can u be fair ? why don't try to calm urself while waiting the video to be uploaded , or maybe wait for any statement from t.A.T.u. about it ..... ? sounds like a better idea to me :D

i apologize if any words were wrong or maybe insulting , english is not my native , please understand :)

darje There's not much to say but "I love you", but not in a physical way, no worries, ;) for your words, for your emotions and for giving those who are not sure where to stay as real fans the possibility of a new place (hopefully we won't need it). I'm thankful that you're on this board.

ILY, I've said it in another thread but I'll repeat it here: There's more than one kind of love, and there's only one word for all the different emotions which can be meant.
I understand your disappointment but I belive that the message is more important the messenger and therefore I don't care what they'll do, if they wanna get happy with little bunnies then they should do so.
As it was said before: Their message is to love whomever you want to without being afraid of other people's oinion and they reached many with this, they got credit as far as I'm concerned, so much credit that I don't worry about me saying "I'm a tATu-fan" - there's enough reason to be. They did more than most other acts and everybody makes mistakes in life and they were young.

darje, all I want to say is I respect where you are comming from and your views of the new forum idea. You actually raised a good point, and I think I'll PM Igor to cancel it.

Real_Lesbian, hang in there. :rose:

Haven't seen the documentary yet. But don't think it'll change my views on the group. I had already imagined all these possibilities and they didn't bother me.

Heck, some of my friends have done worse things. Of course I don't care... :gigi:

:) I'm also a very real lesbian and thought I was old enough to not be upset by this - but I am. I'm also realistic enough to know (and have done for some time) that all is not what it seems with Tatu.

However, I don't think I can ever be anti-tatu even if they run off with loads of men ! Most gay people think I'm straight anyway (my best friend is a lovely straight man) and straight people just don't know what to make of me (too many labels there !). I have been totally out since I was 14 and because of that had far too many romantic hopes of Tatu. I will still listen to them (possibly not in the same way) and think Yulia is one of the most gorgeous girls I have ever met.

Alex Parks - why would anyone want to throw their bra at her ?:D

I've seen the documentary and I'm still a fan.
True fans unite! Hehe

To add further confusion - I also used to go out with men. Human sexuality is a very diverse, complex and fluid thing (pardon the expression !) and so is love ...

I've seen the documentary and I'm still a fan...Oops did I say fan?! :rolleyes:

Well atleast I now know that the group is just a marketing gimmick...but heeeeey!!! LOL :rolleyes:

Yulia is still the best looking female on the planet but the group is just an act..but heeeeey!!

[whatever]

any fans left?
many fans left! :rose:

I don't understand why some people act like they never saw this coming.. From the very first beginning even the journalists asked the girls if they were really gay... But I do feel sorry for you guys and I hope you will feel better. The forum is in such a terrible state right now, will it EVER be the same?! I think not.

documentary,no documentary,it doesn't matter, i'm a fan forever! :)

Well some people just believed they were gay, I mean seriously, it's as simple as that..Just because the majority of the forum apparently never thought this way, that's the reason why you can't comprehend the reactions of us. Whatever, we all have different opinions on everything, atleast when they were gay (lol) the image had it's foundations, now we're all down to the same level(so to speak), the image portraited is somewhat tainted.

Oh well...If we all thought the same I guess we'd all be a bunch of happy damn campers :rolleyes:

THEvolkovaADDICT, if we all thought the same we would be boring! :done: But I still don't understand, why are some people no longer fans? I thought it was about "the whole package" when we took that poll back in.. umm.. can't remember exactly when. I think the lyrics can be beautiful even though they are sung by two straight girls (let's say they're straight.. at least not together), but maybe that's just me...

Probably because people got too emotionally attatched and they convinced us sooo much that they we're actually gay to put it plainly anyway(Yes, I'm not gonna quote them saying "we're not lesbians" blah blah etc). I'm not a lesbian (last time I checked) so I can't explain it from Rachels or someone elses perspective. For me I got too attatched and Tatu have been the first group/artist that I've ever followed so indepthly, so I guess that plagues on me too. :rolleyes:

I don't know what's gonna happen for me next, I guess two straight girls *could* carry on making songs about homosexual feelings and the such..Doesn't gel too well with me though :none: :hmmm:

I'll get over it ;)

they didn't lie, man... they never said that they were lesbians 100%... i mean, i've never heard them... all the questions that they answered regarding that (like in the polish interviews where they got asked stuff like HOW do they have sex and so on)... so all those questions were based on the fact that they were considered lesbians, but no one asked them so they just played along... then when more controversy appeared, and the big question was popped ("are you really lesbians?"), they kept playing along... stress on PLAYING... you believed what you wanted to believe.

i noticed that they went from "lesbians" --> "hmm... are they really?" --> "it's all a fake"... and please DO notice that "it's all a fake" does NOT equal by far "they are straight" (which is after all, the truth... or is it?).

a band whose albums were such a hit, a band who broke so many taboos, a band who changed so many people's lives... it's such a shame, man, to call ARTISTS who perform in order to entertain people, to call them "fakes"... is their success and everything it entails a fake?

i don't think it is. i mean look at our friend, Michael Jackson... look at what's become of him... all the hits, all the music... who remembers it now that he's being accused of being a paedophile? i personally feel sorry for the guy... ok, so maybe he was abused during childhood, he's had his problems, and now maybe he did all these things he's being charged of, but... is this really the artist, Michael Jackson? is this Jacko's music? i'm not a fan myself, but still... the man has done something for music history. he was unique. THE ARTIST, the man behind the microphone.

did Lena or Yulia rape any kid? not that i know of... man, maybe they steal, maybe they kill, maybe they do drugs, maybe they are straight... oops... *blink blink*... do you see where i'm getting at? since when is being straight a crime? you'll say: "since lying you were a lesbian"... eeeeeeeeeee - WRONG!... lesbian was their artist image... like the moonwalk or something... i mean, do you really see Michael moonwalking in his ordinary life?... come to think of it, maybe you do LOL (kidding) :gigi:

man, i've already gone too far... ok... i'm just gonna say i am still a fan... and i will always be cos they did too much for me willingly or (more probable) unwillingly... when it comes to music, we forget that these people are artists, yeah... like actors... how come we don't blame actors for lying to us? oh yeah, right... sorry, acting was something artistic...

oh and to deny yourself of something you liked, it's like not only calling them fake and liars, but also calling yourself it... and how do you like that?

can you repeat: artist - real life person, artist -real life person... :heh:

Personally..If the musics good i'll buy it.

:done: