Gangs, Positive or Negative?
I saw an episode of a TV show where they talked about gangs,,, this people said some of them like Lating Kings, are actually social organizations which care for their people advancement,,, (as they say) they're against bad treatment, discrimination,,,, but some of them have been engaged in criminal activities. I read this article in Wikipedia which can help you if you need more info.
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So you knew this side of gangs,,, what do you think now? |
Gangs can have the good side to them and the bad side.. good side is.. it provides you with some sort of protection, bad side.. mostly associated with violence and can ge you into a lot of trouble at times but thats only from personal experiences, other than that i dont really know enough to make up my mind :ithink:
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LOL @ gangs being 'social organizations'… seriously people?
Gangs are criminal organizations, they deal (drugs and weapons), they racket, they rob, they rape, they murder… Do you really think that's what a social organization is supposed to do? (If in doubt read the Red Cross charter, i'm pretty sure it says that dealing, racketing, robbing, raping and murdering are things that a social worker are *not* supposed to do.) :rolleyes: |
The only good things I can see about gangs are the feeling of belonging, support and protection one would have being a part of one. For society as a whole I would say they are a bad thing, but I don't really know enough to say anything more than that.
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so,, more people know as much as me about gangs :D
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People only join gangs if they have (or plan) to do something illegal. So yeah, it's about protection after your illegal activities. After all, no one is gonna do anything back to you if you have a huge group of people who would kick the shit out of the other person.
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I agree with haku, dradeel and Rachel.
Think that "idea" that you're a "Man" because you belong to a gang is absolutely dangerous. |
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marina, LOL!
The word "gang" symbolizes a criminal organization, does it not? It's not like Greenpeace go around calling themselves a gang. So, gangs as they are these days, are dangerous and criminal. Such as TLK which you mentioned, obviously nothing right with those. Having to seek the feeling of protection in a gang isn't positive either. You're just fooling yourself. I bet as soon as you have a gun pointed to your head your dear gangfriends will run from the scene. :rolleyes: Who the hell considers them social organizations anyway? People who are afraid they will get their asses beaten if they say otherwise? |
It's obviously all down to interpretation on what a gang really is.
Lets see what the dictionary says: 1. A group of criminals or hoodlums who band together for mutual protection and profit. 2. A group of adolescents who band together, especially a group of delinquents. 3. Informal A group of people who associate regularly on a social basis: The whole gang from the office went to a clambake. 4. A group of laborers organized together on one job or under one foreperson: a railroad gang. So obviously the first two definitions associate the word with criminality. And that's probably what most of us think of when we hear the word "gang". It's the most common use of the word so any other meaning (eventhough it validly exists) would sound odd. Like saying someone's gay? The first thing popping into your head wouldn't be that they're "happy", would it? ;) |
I'm scared of all gangs :p
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When the Italian Mafia first set up shop in the States it was pretty much because the police in cities like NYC, Chicago, Philidelphia, etc. didn't really police Italian neighbourhoods thus leaving them vulnerable to robbery, which happened often. The Mafia would then offer their services of proctection to these neighbourhoods for a fee. So, I can see this as being a social positive.
I think it was only when the Mafia branched out to illegal trade like drugs, firearm and prostitution that's when dead bodies start falling due to all of the eventual turf wars from rival gangs. And this pretty much is the situation with gangs now. The Hell's Angels, once a notorious gang, are pretty much harmless now in Canada, particularly Montreal. Though they are known to distribute some drugs, they have been able to broker peace with other gangs and have helped maintain a ceasefire. Judging by what people have said about accidentally encountering a Hell's Angel member, they sound like the nicest people alive. PS: When seeing the title of this thread my first thought was "Now what can be so wrong about Scooter Gangs?". |
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Social association like any other but their activities have a negative character. That's why they are called gangs and not a sect or a business team.
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I was watching this program where they say some things are said about them are not true,,,, they say they're like family, they protect each other... but, they also commit these crimes, which are not justified. Quote:
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Legalize weed! :lol: |
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Oh yes, lets legalise murder, what a fantastic friendly act that is :rolleyes: |
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I don't want to murder anyone.
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I didn't say;
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This goes for A LOT of things really. |
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Gangs and mafias are criminal organizations and they will stay criminal organizations, you can legalize whatever you want and that won't change anything to their criminal activities.
People who join gangs and mafias are people who *want* to be criminals, they want to make a lot of money, fast and easy, and they don't care if they have to rob and murder to get what they want. If you legalize some of the gangs/mafias activities, that won't make their members become honest workers earning an average living from it. If an activity is legal, it's no longer extremely profitable and they will abandon that activity to switch to other illegal activities where they can make loads of money. |
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There is a "ranch" in Nevada, US, with a legal business of prostitutes. They are employees and work on hours. They check in when they get to work, and strict rules about hygeene and safety are good for the ladies - as they can now go to the police if they get raped while being a prostitute, they have easy access to the equipment and healthcare needed to prevent sexual transfered deseases (as they also get health insurance along with their work aso), and they have working conditions you and me could only dream about. Girls who choose prostitution would of course choose this alternative before the street. Cause this is a huge selling industry with alot of possibilities. They won't have a problem to get work, as legalization would probably let it grow to new heights. And that's actually good. Quote:
Of course, these things are easier to do in western countries, as western/industrial countries could easier face some problems in the changing face. But minor changes show that problems go away, they are not created. So I believe we need to do it on a larger scale as well! The modern civilization, human rights and so on, have been shaped by radical changes --- and we should never be afraid to have more of them! :) |
Interesting conversation you guys have going here, I have to say though that I completely agree with dradeel.
Legalization of prohibited substances obviously won't make honest people out of criminals, I'll agree with you there haku, but I don't think that that it'll get them out of the business altogether either. Illegal substances and activities are freaking lucrative businesses, there's money to be made and gangs already have extensive product knowledge and know precisely which demographic of people to aim for. If ever turned legal they have about 30 years of experience surrounding this venture, that is a massive head start on upstart competition. And sure those earnings will be taxed (good for gov't, btw) and regulations will be placed, I think that's something criminals wouldn't mind, it sure beats the hell out of risking life-in-prisonment sentences or death at the hands police, rivals, or your own gang members. People who join gangs don't necessarily want to be criminals, they want lots of money and power in the easiest, fastest way possible. If criminal life grants them that, then they'll gladly take it. I'm pretty sure that if current gang members had the opportunity, resources and education of the upper class then they'd probably join the corporate world. I'm not saying, of course, that lower-class people become criminals solely because of their social class, that's bullshit, but that people in the corporate world exude the same criminal behaviour as gangsters so I feel gang members would fit in nicely in the corporate world. Your Jeffery Skillings, Benard Ebbers, Dutch Shell, McDonalds, Nike, etc. all have the same psychotic nature as gangsters except what they do is legal... until it is not. So bring on the West Coast Crack-Cocaine Corporation! I would sooo buy stocks in that. |
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