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Amy_Lee_Rocks 20-03-2007 04:15
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Originally Posted by Talyubittu (Post 344579)

Do you realize that if you help them, you can face large fines and even prison time? Not to mention - if you were a citizen of Mexico before - you could be deported. I do not care if both of your parents are illegal immigrants and had to prostitute themselves to make wages. It is not the American people's fault, nor our responsibility to take care of what Mexico can't. We do not send our single mothers or people on welfare to the U.K.? You know what - because we're a civilized society with respect for international law. How can a Mexican want to be in the U.S.A. if they don't even come in legally?

I dont know what kind of help you think im gonna give them...
but whatever it is, it isnt the way you think :)

Of course im well aware what could happen to me if i help them in the way you
think im gonna help them. Whatever that way is.
I only plan to help them make things legaly.
Its not hard going back to Mexico to do things legaly.
Just letting borrow some money will do.

And boy please, my parents are not illegal imigrants..
They are succesful business owners.
Please dont come with me with your nonsence.
You make me believe that you are just mad because
your parents dont have anything good. Or anything
that is worth. So back off and leave my parents out of it.

And i still dont see where you get me saying its the U.S fault..????wtf?

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And on a final note - The U.S.A. is MY country - in the sense that I live here and was born here. Not in an actual posessive sense. If me saying that the United States is MY country is the biggest thing you have to complain about - I do not see why you are even arguing on such a pointless topic.
If its as pointless as you think, they why even reply to it?

Talyubittu 20-03-2007 04:24
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And boy please, my parents are not illegal imigrants..
They are succesful business owners.
Please dont come with me with your nonsence.
You make me believe that you are just mad because
your parents dont have anything good. Or anything
that is worth. So back off and leave my parents out of it.
I said IF - I did not say they were.

Amy_Lee_Rocks 20-03-2007 04:34
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Originally Posted by Talyubittu (Post 344583)
I said IF - I did not say they were.
I dont give a shit what you said, You keep them out of your
silly head. They have nothing to do with this..ok?

Now anyways...


I dont understand the issue that Mexico was having with the new president.
Can someone explain to me why people were boycotting, and acting so
violently almost killing each other.

Enlighten me.:)

haku 20-03-2007 14:52
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Originally Posted by Talyubittu (Post 344561)
I was not going into technicalities. I understand they are different. - My point I was trying to make is that ANY time you enter another country - you get these papers/documents from the country you wish to visit. Not the country you reside in.
And like dradeel explained, that's incorrect. A passport is delivered by the country you come from, a visa is delivered by the country you go to.

A passport acts as a proof of indentity and citizenship, it is only delivered by a country to its own citizens; a visa acts as an authorization of entry and stay, it is only delivered by a country to foreigners who wish to enter that country.
Therefore a person can only have one passport (delivered by his own country), but can obtain multiple visas (delivered by any country he wishes to visit).

Let's say a Canadian citizen wish to visit China, he will need a Canadian passport which is delivered by the Canadian administration, he will also need a Chinese visa which is delivered by the Chinese administration

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Originally Posted by dradeel (Post 344542)
Also, without a passport you can't (well, more like shouldn't. Hehe.) travel on holidays outside the border of your own country.
The big exception in that area is the European Union, citizens of any EU state can travel and live freely within the EU with no more official documents than they need in their country of origin (generally a simple ID card or driving licence). EU citizens only need a passport if they intend to go outside the EU.

dradeel 20-03-2007 17:55
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Originally Posted by haku (Post 344620)
The big exception in that area is the European Union, citizens of any EU state can travel and live freely within the EU with no more official documents than they need in their country of origin (generally a simple ID card or driving licence). EU citizens only need a passport if they intend to go outside the EU.
Yeah I know. Europe is actually kinda weird with all that. Norway, not a member of EU, partly fall under that rule, however it's kinda complicated... :p but all I ment is that some places they don't do passport checks (might be out of laziness). I've experienced going outside Norway (before the whole free-to-go-wherever-you-want-thingie) that they didn't check our passports. So that's why I wrote it like I did. Hehehe.
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Originally Posted by Talyubittu (Post 344561)
My point I was trying to make is that ANY time you enter another country - you get these papers/documents from the country you wish to visit.
You apply for a visa probably months before you actually make the trip. However, if you go on holidays to another country you'll get a cute stamp in your passport proving that you have entered the country at the given date :D We don't get those anymore in Europe :(
I dunno about any other papers tho...

forre 20-03-2007 19:17
Talyubittu, Mary-sheccid, Learn to debate without implying that someone is stupid here. There's no guarantee that a one might know answers to all questions. Share your experience and knowledge without insulting each other, ok?

Mary-sheccid 20-03-2007 19:43
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Originally Posted by forre (Post 344649)
Talyubittu, Mary-sheccid, Learn to debate without implying that someone is stupid here. There's no guarantee that a one might know answers to all questions. Share your experience and knowledge without insulting each other, ok?
Ok, Forre. I'll be a Good Girl..
:kawai:

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Tatyubittu isn't stupid. Just a little silly. :p.. But We love Him..

-Adruz- 20-03-2007 20:06
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Originally Posted by Mary-sheccid (Post 344653)
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Tatyubittu isn't stupid. Just a little silly. :p.. But We love Him..
:confused:

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Originally Posted by haku (Post 344620)
The big exception in that area is the European Union, citizens of any EU state can travel and live freely within the EU with no more official documents than they need in their country of origin (generally a simple ID card or driving licence).
Like in most of the coutries in South America

Mary-sheccid 20-03-2007 20:14
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Originally Posted by -Adruz- (Post 344655)
:confused:
More :confused:

Talyubittu 20-03-2007 21:48
No no. LOL. I'm quite stupid as well.

volkovaddict 21-03-2007 02:03
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Originally Posted by Talyubittu (Post 344687)
No no. LOL. I'm quite stupid as well.
ahhh timmmyyy! your not stupid..and thank god yours and Yoshi argument ended I was about to hurt both of you!

haku 22-03-2007 04:35
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Originally Posted by dradeel (Post 344641)
Yeah I know. Europe is actually kinda weird with all that. Norway, not a member of EU, partly fall under that rule, however it's kinda complicated...
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Not that weird and complicated, you just have to make the difference between the EU and EEA countries. :)

The EU is a confederation and EU citizenship has a legal existence since 1992, EU citizens can therefore move between EU states as freely as US citizens can move between US states.

EEA countries can be considered 'EU associates', even though they are not part of the EU, they enjoy free movement of persons with the EU. There's also a bilateral Swiss-EU agreement very similar to the EEA agreement.

freddie 22-03-2007 10:02
The interesting thing about illegal immigration problem in the USA is that it could be solved SO easily. Like ppg said before... all you really need to do is punish people who hire cheap illegal labour. And I'm not talking about $500 fines, but rather +5 years jail sentences. Because seeking out cheap labour is nothing but slavery in disguise. Exploitation at it's finest. As soon as that'd be settled Mexicans would have absolutely no reason to even consider economic migration, since it'd be impossible for them to find a job in the USA.

dradeel 22-03-2007 15:51
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Originally Posted by haku (Post 344878)
Not that weird and complicated, you just have to make the difference between the EU and EEA countries.
What about the Schengen agreement? Is that more or less the same as EEA now? I believe Schengen involved border control and that sorta stuff...? Hehehe.

Khartoun2004 22-03-2007 16:10
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Originally Posted by freddie (Post 344899)
The interesting thing about illegal immigration problem in the USA is that it could be solved SO easily. Like ppg said before... all you really need to do is punish people who hire cheap illegal labour. And I'm not talking about $500 fines, but rather +5 years jail sentences. Because seeking out cheap labour is nothing but slavery in disguise. Exploitation at it's finest. As soon as that'd be settled Mexicans would have absolutely no reason to even consider economic migration, since it'd be impossible for them to find a job in the USA.
Exactly. That's why it's been pissing me off lately... it's so easily correctable, but people are to fucking busy worrying about Iraq in the "executive" to pay any attention to domestic issues. Then again there will always be people who ignore the law compeletly *cough*Bush*cough*.

haku 22-03-2007 16:55
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Originally Posted by dradeel (Post 344923)
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What about the Schengen agreement? Is that more or less the same as EEA now? I believe Schengen involved border control and that sorta stuff...? Hehehe.
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It's not the same thing, the EEA agreement is about relations between the EU and EEA countries (it only applies to citizens of the EU and of EEA countries), the Schengen agreement is about relations between the EU (+EEA+Switzerland) and the rest of the world.

Before the Schengen agreement, a non-EU non-EEA citizen had to obtain a visa from each EU state or EEA country they wanted to visit and had to have their passport checked at every border crossing (even at EU internal borders). Now they simply have to obtain one single Schengen visa and have their passport checked only once when they first enter the Schengen area, after that they can travel freely within the Schengen area.

The Schengen agreement hasn't changed anything for EU citizens, except to see the final destruction of internal border posts. EU citizens could of course already cross internal borders without any checks, but those border posts were still used to check non-EU citizens (like a Japanese tourist going from France to Germany for example), with the Schengen agreement those border posts became totally useless and were demolished.
A typical internal EU border looks like this now, a simple sign on the side of the road indicates which EU state you're entering and that's it, no barrier of any kind. :)

Talyubittu 22-03-2007 22:20
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Originally Posted by Khartoun2004 (Post 344925)
Exactly. That's why it's been pissing me off lately... it's so easily correctable, but people are to fucking busy worrying about Iraq in the "executive" to pay any attention to domestic issues. Then again there will always be people who ignore the law compeletly *cough*Bush*cough*.
Ew. Bush.

dradeel 23-03-2007 00:29
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Originally Posted by haku (Post 344938)
It's not the same thing, the EEA agreement is about relations between the EU and EEA countries (it only applies to citizens of the EU and of EEA countries), the Schengen agreement is about relations between the EU (+EEA+Switzerland) and the rest of the world.
Ah, roger that! Hehehe. Thanks for clearing up a point or two there. I guess I still find it kinda complicated, but much less now :D

Amy_Lee_Rocks 09-05-2007 03:43
Soo, anything new?


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