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Vote for the Best Statement Maker!
* Voting will be closed on 5 february 2005 *
Unplugged
06-01-2005, 16:04
Haku!
Clear, eloquent, always with a huge backing of facts and resources supporting him in every discussion.
Brilliant, and always with the enough ammount of subtle humour to finnish up. Totally deserves it :D
spyretto
06-01-2005, 17:09
yeah haku, please. Take me out of this one too :D
Definately Haku, although spy's witty comments are pretty good, although I didn't appreciate them til after the anatomy of course LOL
spyretto.. even though he seems to play devils advocate at times, the messages are strong and clear either way
I think spy should get this one. Some of you are misinterpreting what a "best statement maker" is, actually. It's someone who can make a one-line comment that doesn't NEED any additional commentary, or supportive facts added. Like with Hollywood one-liners.
Unplugged
07-01-2005, 16:11
Some of you are misinterpreting what a "best statement maker" is, actually.
Not really. For me a statement has to have support. Anyone can do "one-liners", so what, what's so impressive about that? :dknow: For the impressive statements are the ones who are well supported and coherent. The rest is small talk.
No. Then it turns into a discussion. Maybe we should have a seperate award for that. But it really doesn't have anything to do with the "best statement". Most best statements out there make no sense whatsoever. You have to be inteligent enough to see through them, without a coherent explanation being offered to you on a plate. That's boring and goes against anything that "a statement" should represent.
Unplugged
07-01-2005, 16:18
OK, I don't agree. There are many good statements out there (and I don't mean only on this site) that make much sense and one doesn't need to be very intelligent to see through them, because they are obvious and coherent enough. Anyone can drop a one-liner like a "bomb" and have people discussing it. But to drop a one-liner that one can see that's actually based on facts and that has a coherent structure, that's a little bit harder. ;)
I completly agree with staringelf. Spyretto makes lots of quips and one-liners but they are neither humourous nor insightful and most of the time he's just trying to annoy. He says things to shock - to see what effect they have. Anyone can do that. But it takes someone with a certain quality to not only come out with effective one-liners but to make others think and get a well-informed and coherant point across at the same time.
A statement is sometimes MEANT to provoke, without offering any rationale behind it... or offering one, but concealed, hidden to be uncovered with one's own inteligence.
Remember Ivan's one-liners? He didn't say ANYTHING after a 30 minute long interview. We learned nothing new, yet he had us all discussing the things he said. His statements drew people into a discussion. It's all about the effect it has on us, which is not always positive. Infact it usualy isn't. Remember forre's "dream on" statement (sorry forre girl, I'm not dissing you here or anything, I'm just using you as an example, of a good statement. :p) ...people got upset and aggitated by that and they talked about it for months after that. It was pretty simple and consise. And the statement-maker didn't offer any rationale behind her thinking... it was just there.. in all our faces. That WAS an example of a good statement. And it's exactly against everything Staringelf and Mossopp are saying, isn't it?
coolasfcuk
07-01-2005, 21:54
A statement is sometimes MEANT to provoke, without offering any rationale behind it... or offering one, but concealed, hidden to be uncovered with one's own inteligence.
Remember forre's "dream on" statement [...] That WAS an example of a good statement. And it's exactly against everything Staringelf and Mossopp are saying, isn't it?
:yes:
spyretto
07-01-2005, 21:58
freddie, remind me to add up 10% over your fee, ok? cheers ;)
QueenBee
07-01-2005, 22:05
I love Haku's statements, he always (as said) backs them up with facts.
I'm still going to vote for Spyretto, for the reasons stated above. He makes intelligent comments and expresses himself amazingly. ;) I really have nothing else to say on this as everything has already been said.
Go Spy! *cheerleader*
So we're comparing spyretto to Ivan fucking Shapavalov now? Oh for the love of.........! :rolleyes:
I guessed I must have missed all the threads featuring Spy's great statements - last I knew he was talking ill-informed nonsense about a bunch of nu-metal bands for no other reason than to piss me off. Yeah, great "statement maker"! :rolleyes:
And I completely disagree that "A statement is sometimes MEANT to provoke, without offering any rationale behind it... ". A 'statement without any rationale' is, by definition, exactly the same as 'talking for the sake of hearing your own voice'. If that is what this award is really about then we should be handing it to Spy on a silver platter! :bebebe:
QueenBee
07-01-2005, 23:56
Actually, I enjoyed reading what Spy had to say about Tatu & Co. Haku is for me the nicest person, most generous. Maybe even the smartest (not saying he's more intelligent that the rest of us, of course). He has facts to prove his points, which is great 'cause people can't dis him in that case. :laugh: I'm kidding. But he has alot of facts (I still can't understand where he gathers all this from o.O) and proves his points in an intelligent and nice way without trying to hurt anyone's feelings, and being fair.
Spyretto on the other hand doesn't seem to give a damn and says what he wants to say which I find witty and entertaining. :yes:
Well, I just find him immature and annoying.
Whatever.
This discussion is just going round and round in circles.
I don't think spyretto deserves this award. End of story. But it's not up to me - let the voters decide.
QueenBee
07-01-2005, 23:59
I'm interested in seeing how this is gonna work out. :)
spyretto
08-01-2005, 00:19
hey what's with all this bitching? Mossopp, you come out as a little bit bitter....talking about being immature? Not to mention, I asked to be removed anyway... so please do it if you may so that she can feel a bit better.
How can this topic be a matter of debate, now huh?
Am I supposed to go to one of the categories you're nominated and start bitching about how you don't deserve it? oh common...
Do it if you want. I wouldn't put it past you! :rolleyes:
Look, spy - I don't want to argue with you and I certainly don't enjoy it. But the bottom line is that you insulted and belittled something which is very important to me and then ridiculed me for standing up for it. And you continued to do this, over and over again, and it made me feel like a joke. Other members were laughing at me because of you. And I don't take kindly to that.
I hope our 'metal' argument is over now. I don't have anything against you personally because I don't know you. But I definately feel that you shouldn't 'win' this 'award' because all you do is provoke - you poke fun at people and then run away without backing up your arguments. Noone deserves an award for that.
spyretto
08-01-2005, 00:46
I did back my arguments very well, I think. In turn it was you who run away from the argument or that is the impression I got. You didn't want to continue the discussion. You accused me of a a few things like ridiculing the metal thread which is not true. It wasn't me who started the thread, and my intention was not to ridicule it. It wasn't that bad anyway as it was :p
Then for some reason you took every little opportunity to point out I don't know what I'm talking about ;) ok, I got carried away a little and I apologise for it.
Can't you take it a little less seriously? Self parody is also a heavy metal motiv ( see the Darkness :p )
At the risk of starting another 'metal' debate - The Darkness aren't metal, they're a fucking joke! :bebebe:
And, no, I won't take it less seriously. Whether you find it amusing or not, music is my life and I take offence at some jackass dissing my favourite bands just to get a few cheap laughs.
Enough. Let bygones be bygones.
Bored now. :rolleyes:
So we're comparing spyretto to Ivan fucking Shapavalov now? Oh for the love of.........! :rolleyes:
No. You see, this is you taking things out of context. And then you started on about Spy's integrity, when the whole purpose of my post was that integrity doesn't even MATTER when "the best statement maker" is in question (I'm not saying anything on whether he has or hasn't got integrity, that's not the point of this discussion). I think the sheer will and zealousness with which you come accross against, him proves just the opposite of what you're trying to prove - he IS the best statement-maker. Because the effects of his posts are exactly what a good statement maker is supposed to achieve.
A "good statement maker" is meant to make people think - not piss them off for cheap laughs to the point where they feel like commiting homicide! :bebebe:
Actually a good statement maker should be able to do both. That's my point. :p
And even if you don't agree on this point, who's to say that spy pisses EVERYONE off, with all of this statements. You're basing your opionion (as it seems) on some isolated incidents, where you didn't appreciate his comments, when most of us here on the forum have a 2 year history of posting, in which there were ups and downs.
Still... I think it's art to stir things up properly (not just randomly, like the wanker boy, though I admit he was amusing :p), so even if he DID intentionaly provoke people sometimes he did it in a witty manner, which again makes him the best statement maker.
Just for clarification: I have nothing against haku. He's a good mod and a great asset in general to this forum. I just don't think he's the best statement maker.
The bottom line is that Spy attacked something very dear to me - something he, himself, claimed to deem important - for the sole reason of stirring up trouble.
He's a hypocrite and a shit-stirrer and I don't understand how anyone would be able to overlook this fact.
Seriously, I don't want to talk about it anymore. Let's just agree to disagree and see who wins on February 5th.
coolasfcuk
08-01-2005, 03:24
He's a hypocrite and a shit-stirrer and I don't understand how anyone would be able to overlook this fact.
:eek: I wonder WHO isnt a hypocrite? :ithink:
The fact that you have a 'personal issue' with spy, mossopp is a totally different issue than the 'best statement maker'. As freds said, this only proves that spy is indeed a good statement maker. His statements are usually very well presented, he can support them, he can debate or say something interesting on almost any subject ... and look, he pushed your buttons and it worked. And people werent laughing at you or the metal music really, they were laughing because of the way the argument was presented, the statements that were made (including freds statements, which leads to me say: he should've been nominated as well :heh: ).
spy has always had great statements, and i have to admit his later return 'by unpopular' demand has entertained me more than before, though at first after the return i thought he was completely 'waco'! :gigi:
I said i wouldnt vote anymore, but ... i will wait til the end, if its still tied, i will have to break it :gigi: Nothing against haku here as well :) I just dont think he is that great statement maker. I would say forre, nath, spy, and freds are the 4 people that belong in this category according to me :D
spyretto
08-01-2005, 17:39
Nu metal or metal is that thing you hold very dear? Lets make the dinstinction here once and for all, my opinion is that nu metal is the pits when it comes to metal - and music- and I'm not going to take it back. It really gives metal a bad reputation ( whatever reputation it had ).
So are you a poser and a fashion victim youself who's supposed to embrase every SHITTY new trend that labels itself as metal because magazines like Kerrang and Rock Sound think it should be backed up or are you willing to look a little below the surface and find a music that is heavy but good as well? Have you made an effort to look into this music you hold so dear a little bit back when interesting and groundbreaking things were happening? not to mention you haven't even fathomed 1/10 of the statement I was trying to make there. What a surprise. all you talk about is labels " that isn't metal". Well, you're not metalhead either, you're a fashion victim.
All you could come up with was that I don't know what I'm talking about. Even if my personal taste in music has deviated a little from heavy rock music ( FCUK the label metal ) in the past few years that doesn't mean I can't appreciate what is good in this genre, and not much is good at the moment. Yeah I know attitude is great and all, what about the music? :blabla:
But if you want to put it another way, I'm an old school fan of this music, and I try to keep my horizons open. You, in turn, well...I really can't understand what you are, you say you're into metal since you were 10 years old, still you're ready to embarce every little - money-making gimmick that labels itself as metal - cause lets face it that's what it is.
So it's you, in turn who I deem as a total sellout. Am I making myself clear? Now go back to your metal confinement and I really think "fuck-all" about best statement maker. I give up the place - i didn't ask for it anyway - to you, so you can take the award home and brag about for the next 20 years.
Capisch?
oh and by the way, what are you doing on a Tatu forum? That SURELY isn't metal, dear.
am I unfair? But I didn't say anythng to your latest accusations but then you had the nerve to come out and bitch a little more. So I now feel the need to respond and that is the response you deserve...peace :)
coolasfcuk
08-01-2005, 17:57
spy, :bow:
Bravoooooo, a great statement in the 'best statement maker' thread.
p.s. about the metal scene - 'real' metal (the one that old-school metalheads listen to) is not dead ;) it has just gone really deep deep underground, and nu metal is exactly what you said - the fashionable-money making jokes labeled as metal
QueenBee
08-01-2005, 18:00
Had I not done my best to currently seduce Phil, I would have been all over you, Spy. :p
Sorry, maybe next time. :lol:
spyretto
08-01-2005, 18:50
spy, :bow:
Bravoooooo, a great statement in the 'best statement maker' thread.
p.s. about the metal scene - 'real' metal (the one that old-school metalheads listen to) is not dead ;) it has just gone really deep deep underground, and nu metal is exactly what you said - the fashionable-money making jokes labeled as metal
I'm waitinng for the new generation of fantastic hard rock and metal musicians to take over, and once this happens those "nu metal gods" wouldn't know where to hide. It's bound to happen sooner or later. THE BACKCLASH WAS COOL :coctail:
and I don't care what Mossopp says on the matter, either :p
Mossopp, I offer you peace. The only person I had harsh arguments with before was darje but they were overcome and I now I think she had been one of the best forumers ever. I hope you can accept it too, and so leave our metal differences aside.
Bottom line is, dude, I don't give a fuck what you think. I've nothing more to say to you or anybody else on the matter. If you want to win this arguement so badly then fine - you win. You are the Metal Overlord and a very big man. Happy now? :rolleyes:
That's it from me. There are some people who really enjoy kissing your arse and they're forming an orderly queue so I'd best get out of the way. :bebebe:
HOW'S THAT FOR A F*CKING STATEMENT?! Where's my award?
oh and by the way, what are you doing on a Tatu forum?
That’s funny spyretto. That question equally applies to 95% of the members here, so why not ask them?
coolasfcuk
08-01-2005, 20:55
Bottom line is, dude, I don't give a fuck what you think. I've nothing more to say to you or anybody else on the matter. If you want to win this arguement so badly then fine - you win. You are the Metal Overlord and a very big man. Happy now? :rolleyes:
That's it from me. There are some people who really enjoy kissing your arse and they're forming an orderly queue so I'd best get out of the way.
HOW'S THAT FOR A F*CKING STATEMENT?! Where's my award?
umm, sorry, its weak statement.
I particularly dont agree with this line: There are some people who really enjoy kissing your arse and they're forming an orderly queue so I'd best get out of the way.
Im assuming you are refering to me as well, and I'd just like to tell you that if i was 'kissing his ass' I would know it ;) maybe you have the 'ass kissing' definition confused? :confused:
it is also weak, because to me you dont know how to conversate/debate with people who dont share your views ... cursing front -to-back and finishing with fuck you is not exactly good rhetoric :)
spyretto
08-01-2005, 21:27
Bottom line is, dude, I don't give a fuck what you think. I've nothing more to say to you or anybody else on the matter. If you want to win this arguement so badly then fine - you win. You are the Metal Overlord and a very big man. Happy now? :rolleyes:
That's it from me. There are some people who really enjoy kissing your arse and they're forming an orderly queue so I'd best get out of the way. :bebebe:
HOW'S THAT FOR A F*CKING STATEMENT?! Where's my award?
Well, I've no problem to become an adversary of yours if that's what you want. But I had the idea that you could at least contribute to the metal thread as the expert of the current trends that you are - and that's EXACTLY what I was hoping for when I suggested to start the thread. We also had a bit of difference with regards to "nu metal" and that'd be a good opportunity to discuss it and see what other people would think as well; and who knows, maybe it'd be you who are right and if I was wrong and I saw that I'd have ackowledged it as well.
What did we have instead? You showed signs of immaturity and impatience yourself, you couldn't take a joke when the thread turned a little towards the funny side, and thought it's a good idea to personally attack me on the ground of being a crappy statement maker - you seriously thought I give a sh!t about that? By that you'd have succeeded in getting your revenge on me cause I made a little fun of Fred Durst and Slipknot? Now that's funny. They make so much money anyway so I doubt they'd care if 10.000 spyrettos said they suck.
so I suggest you better grow up a little. ;)
And since I'm losing on this great accolade let me make an exception and vote for haku as well cause he's a great guy and a great statement maker - and he voted for me. So yeah I'm not gonna win best statement maker, maybe next year. So now what's next? :rolleyes:
What to argue about now? Just vote and the voting will show what people think.
A "good statement maker" is meant to make people think - not piss them off for cheap laughs to the point where they feel like commiting homicide! :bebebe:
LoL! my vote goes to Mossop .. finally!
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