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madeldoe
08-12-2004, 02:32
Alright well I am doing a research paper on the validity of the theory for Homosexual Genes. First I would like to ask your opinion on such a subject? Then I would appreciate it very much if you could vote on that matter on the poll. So yeh, please vote and share your opinions, preeeeeety pleeeeeaze? Thanks! :rose:




Study Links genes, homosexuality

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Genetic factors, along with cultural and early experiences, influence male homosexuality, Italian scientists said on Wednesday.

Researchers at the University of Padua said the genetic components are linked to the X chromosome which is inherited only from the mother. But they are probably on other chromosomes and could partly explain male homosexuality.

"The key factor is that these genes both influence homosexuality in men, higher fecundity in females and are in the maternal and not the paternal line," Andrea Camperio-Ciani, who headed the research team, said in an interview.

More than a decade ago scientists in the United States reported that they had found evidence of a "gay gene" in men. But other researchers questioned the finding when they could not duplicate the results.

Camperio-Ciani and his team suggest there several genes could be involved, including those on the X chromosome.

In their research, which is reported in the Proceedings of the Royal Society, they found an increase in homosexuality in the maternal line of gay men they studied which suggests the X chromosome.

"We know that at least one of these genetic factors in on the X chromosome but that it not enough, there must be other genetic factors that are important but are elsewhere," Camperio-Ciani added.

The results are based on a study of 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men and about 4,600 of their relatives. The scientists compared the frequency of gay men on the maternal and paternal lines of the families.

Among homosexuals there were a greater number of gay men in the maternal line of the family, as well as greater fertility in the female relatives.

An early interest in sex before the age of 10 was also a predictor of homosexuality, according to the researchers.

"We can no longer say that is it impossible to have a gene that influences homosexuality because we found out that genes might have different effects depending on gender," Camperio-Ciani.

But he added that cultural and individual experience also play a part.


Source: Cnn.com

Rachel
08-12-2004, 02:40
Well, I can't talk for anyone else but i was definately born gay...I certainly didn't choose it...and I don't see how someones "environment" could effect their sexuality. I can pretty much track my homosexuality down to the age of 5...I remember having a crush on my sister's friend...you don't even usually know what "homosexual" means when you are 5, so I certainly didn't choose then!

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 02:46
Yes, people are born gay. That's what makes sense to me.

Of course you can option to experiment with your sexuality, but you can never "option" to be gay, that's just silly.

Also, I think the environment plays a big role. If it's an environment of repression a person lives in, they might only find out they're gay later on, maybe even after they're married, or if they had the strictest education and are brainwashed, they can spend their lives unsatisfied sexually and don't really know why because the chance of being gay sounds so wrong that it would be absurd to them to even consider it.

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 02:48
BTW for my paper i am going to argue that there is no such thing as an homosexual gene.


Yup I was considering that as well. When I was young, even through my early teens, I was a total tomboy. Believing that I was a boy, I felt the "boy" thing to do was to find girls attractive, and i did. There were numerous incidents where I can explain my sexual orientation now, but short of telling my life story, I fell in dated many boys and fell in love with one..then a girl totally turned my world upside [and as she puts it "we fell into heaven" :D]. My point is that, I dont think people are born gay, just as straight people are not born straight. However, i dont believe that we can choose who we fall in love with, but it is our choice whether to act on those feelings or continue to act on them. So yeh, thats my opinion on this subject.



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Unplugged
08-12-2004, 02:54
My point is that, I dont think people are born gay, just as straight people are not born straight.
Well then how do you explain it, sis? :D It just happens, just like that?

ypsidan04
08-12-2004, 02:55
I remember having a crush on my sister's friend...you don't even usually know what "homosexual" means when you are 5, so I certainly didn't choose then!

That's just....wow! :eek: :cool:

1. People are definitely born gay or not gay. Those people (I know 2 very well) who used to be in a heterosexual relationship, or even married, were just trying to conform to societal norms, and/or not wanting to admit to themselves that they were gay.

2. "Environment" has nothing to do with it. Trust me. It's rare that I go a day of my life without interacting with someone who is gay. I'm not gay and don't plan on starting anytime soon. Being gay is not contagious. Conservatives keep blocking gay couples from adopting because of any of the following reasons:

- They think that living with gay parents will increase the chances that the child will grow up to be gay.

- They think that a child needs a male figure and a female figure to grow up "right".

- They think that the child will be persecuted at school.

The second one has no scientific backing, and the third is not worth saying "No" to the hopeful parents. The chances of a kid really getting messed with are growing smaller by the week, among other reasons. The main reason used is the first one, which has no scientific backing, and my personal experience dicatates that there is no correlation whatsoever. Since as far as I'm concerned, people are born with one or another sexual orientation, if the kid is born gay and is then adopted by a gay couple, it's not the parents' fault that the kid will grow up to be gay. Conversely, a straight child adopted by gay parents will not "jump the fence".

How come 90% of these conservative excuses for inequality have no scientific backing, and are really just hear-say, but they still carry so much power? :rolleyes:

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 02:59
"Environment" has nothing to do with it. Trust me. It's rare that I go a day of my life without interacting with someone who is gay. I'm not gay and don't plan on starting anytime soon. Being gay is not contagious.
When I spoke of "environment" I was speaking of being gay and realizing it, not becoming it, because I don't think you can become gay, like you can become a lawyer or an actor, lol. Like, if you grow up in a repressed environment and have a very strict education and follow it, it might be harder for you to realize who you are sexually. On the other hand, if you grow up in an atmosphere where everybody is ok with everyone and you meet tons of different people and everybody talks openly about everything, you might come to a conclusion earlier. That's what I meant :p

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 03:01
Well then how do you explain it, sis? :D It just happens, just like that?

I think people are born the way they are. Straight people arent born straight. Child molestors arent born child molestors. I think it's about choices. BUT, i dont believe that people can choose whom they fall in love with, just like a straight billionaire cant help falling in love with an teacher? You dont choose whom you fall in love with, love chooses you..


Ive also sensed from some gay individuals who beleive that they were born gay, that believing that theory is a way out. I think that some gay people need the reassurance that being gay is not a bad thing, that it isnt a sin, and a homosexual gene plays just that role.

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 03:23
I think it's about choices.
Ok, so let's forget love for a second. Just thinking of sex now.
Do you really think any person can just think "well, I'm just gonna choose and I'll sleep with people the same sex as mine" ? :hmmm:

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 03:31
Ok, so let's forget love for a second. Just thinking of sex now.
Do you really think any person can just think "well, I'm just gonna choose and I'll sleep with people the same sex as mine" ? :hmmm:


lol honestly, i dont know how to answer that. because i wouldnt sleep with anyone i didnt love.. :o

haku
08-12-2004, 03:41
Well then how do you explain it, sis? It just happens, just like that?People can be born with a characteristic without it being caused by genes, it can be caused by the hormonal balance in the womb of the mother for example, hormones in the womb play a big role.

It's possible to imagine that sexual orientation is caused by the various levels of different hormones the fetus receives in the womb, which causes the brain to develop in a certain way and defines the sexual orientation.

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 04:00
but can that be proven? i wonder? i mean it makes sense as far as words go, but i'm not sure?



how can i add more choices to my poll??

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 04:22
People can be born with a characteristic without it being caused by genes, it can be caused by the hormonal balance in the womb of the mother for example, hormones in the womb play a big role.

It's possible to imagine that sexual orientation is caused by the various levels of different hormones the fetus receives in the womb, which causes the brain to develop in a certain way and defines the sexual orientation.
I don't know if that was proven or not, but it seems rational enough to me.

Anyway, nataku, what I mean is... There just has to be something there for the person to choose something like that. You chose to sleep with a person of the same sex, because you already came with the desire to have sexual relations with a person of the same sex. I don't think people who have never had that desire (some have it and don't know it for a while or ignore it but I'm not talking bout that) could just "turn to other side" ( :p ) just like that and stay that way. That's not possible. So that's why I think people are born with certain features that will define their sexuality in the future (depends on who they are and how they grow up and face themselves). Personally, since I believe in reencarnation, I think not only physical features are involved (those too), but also spiritual ones, like a challenge one has to go through.

But it doesn't make any sense to me that one just chooses it, without having a certain pattern already. When you say that, when you were little, you behaved kinda 'boy-ish', it's not because you just simply "chose" that out of the blue, you chose to be like that because you FELT it, it was in you, you followed your ESSENCE, what was already a part of you. See what I mean? Well, just my thoughts :p

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 04:41
ooh i get what your saying. and that is definately a good point. damn you! now i have to reconstruct my whole thesis and conclusion! Lol :p

but concerning your comment about my being a tomboy, honestly, i dont think it was about my essence.. i would say that it was because i found that boys had more power and cooler. and also at the time my father was the only parent i was living with and i was 1 of two girls. so i think that being someone that my father wanted to me be[not that he ever forced it on me or anything, i just felt that a boy would be more suitable to him, so that i can relate to him more], a boy, was also part of it.

But i do see how you think that something has to cause that impulse to want to sleep with someone and other such things..and now you just threw me off! gah! :bebebe:

Rachel
08-12-2004, 04:45
Yes, I've chosen to not hide the way I feel, but I never chose to feel this way. I sometimes wonder how it would be if I was straight. I think "wouldn't life be so much easier?" So WHY would anyone choose to be gay? I, for one, am not into being terrified I'll lose my friends if they find out about me :rolleyes:

No one chooses whether or not to be gay, but they can choose whether to act on their feelings. You can be married to someone of the different sex - it's not who you're having sex with/living with - it's who you want to have sex with/who you have feelings for. So you don't need to be having sex with someone of the same sex to be gay - so you don't choose to be gay!

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madeldoe
08-12-2004, 04:56
i still dont think that a specific homosexual gene exists. The idea is still too far fetched for me to grasp, because then you can just use genes as excuses to everything. A killer's son who's followed in his fathers footsteps could claim that it is in his genes, should he be set free?

I've also read that some scientist are trying to argue that it may be classified as an disease. probably in the same category as schizophrenia..




if your heard of myspace or friendster, its that but for glbt's

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 05:01
but concerning your comment about my being a tomboy, honestly, i dont think it was about my essence.. i would say that it was because i found that boys had more power and cooler.
Yeah, but for you to be sure of that to the point of behaving like one, it was because you had something in you that was pre-established so you could behave like that if you chose to. If it had *nothing* to do with you, you *could* choose to behave like it, but it wouldn't last long cause you'd feel like you were being fake, you were in the wrong 'skin'.

But i do see how you think that something has to cause that impulse to want to sleep with someone and other such things..and now you just threw me off! gah!
Heeeheeee :p

i still dont think that a specific homosexual gene exists.
I don't know about genes, science isn't really my area. But something that already comes with people, a pattern.

Rachel
08-12-2004, 05:05
if your heard of myspace or friendster, its that but for glbt'sWhy do you ask?

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 05:08
ut something that already comes with people, a pattern.
definately a pattern :yes:

Yeah, but for you to be sure of that to the point of behaving like one, it was because you had something in you that was pre-established so you could behave like that if you chose to. If it had *nothing* to do with you, you *could* choose to behave like it, but it wouldn't last long cause you'd feel like you were being fake, you were in the wrong 'skin'.

well it lasted for *counts* 4-5 years? lol i dont think that specific behaviour of mine was pre-established tho, i think my environment contributed alot, among other things..



FAQ 274 A Christian take on this issue (http://www.nccg.org/FAQ274-HomoGenes.html)
i needed a laugh




oh cuz i thought i was the only one who didnt know about it..lol :D

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 05:26
well it lasted for *counts* 4-5 years? lol i dont think that specific behaviour of mine was pre-established tho
Not saying it was pre-established. Just saying you had something in you that let you go with that kind of behavior. If a "girly girl" would choose to be a tomboy, she'd probably never succeed lol

FAQ 274 A Christian take on this issue
i needed a laugh
LMFAO!! :lol:

->Well, sinful mankind would like to find any excuse for his perversion - besides - God calls it... "SIN" And if some "expert" claims he found a "gene", who is going to refute the claim?
[...]
No...it's -not- "genetics". It's a matter of "choice" or (in some cases) generational curses caused by involvement in the occult and related phenomena.
If some experts claim, who is going to refute it? Yeah, a lot of people, duuuh :laugh: Including you, bitch!
Also, I find it hilarious that a curse is mentioned :lol: So there's some sort of witchcraft practice to make people gay! HAHAHAHAHA I had heard of spells for stopping men from having boners, but spells for turning people gay is just genius, I must say! LMFAO :lol:

BTW... I don't know much about christian religious history, but Jesus himself didn't actually dictate much of the Bible IN PERSON, did he? It was mostly done by his apostles, who then said it was the word of the Lord, I am right? If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but I just think leading your life based on what a book says, no matter how holy it's supposed to be, is such a turn off for me humanly that I just prefer not to know much about it LOL

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 05:38
So there's some sort of witchcraft practice to make people gay! HAHAHAHAHA I had heard of spells for stopping men from having boners, but spells for turning people gay is just genius, I must say! LMFAO


LOL! if only there was some witchcraft i could practice to turn people gay. my first victim would be george bush :D




BTW... I don't know much about christian religious history, but God himself didn't actually dictate much of the Bible, did he? It was mostly done by his apostles, who then said it was the word of the Lord, I am right? If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but I just think leading your life based on what a book says, no matter how holy it's supposed to be, is such a turn off for me humanly that I just prefer not to know much about it LOL



yep it has been taught that God told the apostles and other authors of the bible what to write.. But then again, man lies, man exagerates, and is capable of adding a couple of sentences or even pages. And i agree, i really cant believe how anyone could live strictly by the teachings of the bible. its like how can you apply something that was set place sooo long ago into these times, it will not work out. crazy peeplez Lol :D

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 05:57
yep it has been taught that God told the apostles and other authors of the bible what to write.. But then again, man lies, man exagerates, and is capable of adding a couple of sentences or even pages.
Yes, the true messengers are the ones who can let go of their egos fully. And that is extremely rare. I would and will never look up to anything which is said to be from a certain spiritual master, but is written by somebody else. Although I do believe we have the power to receive messages from "beyond", but I will never look up to them as 100% right, because I don't trust messengers fully, there's no proof that their ego has not interfered within the transmission of the message.

madeldoe
08-12-2004, 19:08
thats so spiritual..ive never really thought messengers and such. but it does make a alot of sense that in almost all decisions that we make, except for the selfless ones [if that even exists], that our egos have not interfered with.

i read last night, as i was finishing up, that scientists are now arguing that the theory of a homosexual gene is an way for homosexuals to be accepted or something along those terms...hmmm? *goes to find article*

Unplugged
08-12-2004, 19:14
read last night, as i was finishing up, that scientists are now arguing that the theory of a homosexual gene is an way for homosexuals to be accepted or something along those terms...hmmm? *goes to find article*
I think there will be a bad side if this actually proves something, though, because it's sad if someone says something like "It's not their fault, they were born like that" in a way like it's sort of disease. :hmmm:

freddie
08-12-2004, 20:51
I support the hormone theory, rather then the gene one. It's not a choice in any case, it's just a matter of WHICH physiological factor contributes mostly to homosexuality. It's not determined by hormones in the body while the child is born already, it's all about the hormonal ballance in the womb. It's critical to have a precise amount of testosteron (eventhough it's a male hormone it's critical to the development of both sexes.. it's the hormone that builds human sexuality from the ground up) while the fetus is being developed, if you want to get a 100% straight individual (there's a recipe for "male sex drive" hormonal mix and "female sex drive" hormonal mix). Just slight variations in this ballance causes later variations in the sexuality (for instance a female fetus with a slightly different ballance of hormones, which might resemble male sex drive more then the female sex drive, would produce a homosexual or bisexual female (depends on how much the hormonal mix is closer to male sex drive). The fact is that it's immensely hard to get that PRECISE ballance needed for a 100% straight person to be developed. Which means that human sexuality is a fluent thing, full of dynamics and diversity. Even straight men might prefer butch females sometimes, or straight girls might prefer more femme orientated guys. Even these differences in personal taste show us the vast dynamics of human sexuality. I still claim there's no such thing as a 100% straight or a 100% gay person. We're all just in a more or less close proximity to one of the sex drives that was determined with the hormonal mix in the womb. While bisexuals are somewhere in between.

cada
08-12-2004, 21:41
I think that people are born with the propensity to be gay, some more than others, a friend who did psychology mentioned in passing that for women, it could be a testosterone imbalance when the foetus is developing. I remember this hazily so don't shoot me if I'm wrong :D

Well, from personal experience, Growing up, I always had a huge thing for women, posters on my wall were all female celebs, but it wasn't so much a sexual attraction but more of an admiration "i wish i could be her" kinda thing. I was involved with a guy for 7 years, but later broke up and got involved with a woman. I come from a very conservative society, where homosexuality is frowned upon, therefore, perhaps growing up, I just curbed my nature to fit in and not rock anyone's boat.

However, having been women now, sometimes i think i opened pandora's box. As a teen, Lust was generally towards men, now... its like i just look at women! I think its conditioning and environment that "enhances" my gayness. Well i don't really know if what im posting makes sense, but yeah...

I think people are born with the potential to be gay.. some more than others, and social factors, environmental conditioning and personal mindset can greatly influence it so that it "seems" that its the environment that makes people gay. Bottomline imho is that you cant create something that wasn't there in the first place.

Unplugged
09-12-2004, 00:05
Bottomline imho is that you cant create something that wasn't there in the first place.
I totally agree :yes:

Khartoun2004
09-12-2004, 00:42
I tell everyone this, but oh well. My father is gay, he came out when I was about 6 years old and I am also gay (my rommate, Adam, loves to call me his "Uber Dyke").

The "gay gene" is on the "X" chromosome not the "Y" which explains why my brother is as straight as they come. Also many of my mannerisms are the same as my fathers. Whenever my mom's really pissed at me she says, "Your exactly like your father...". Over Thanksgiving break Adam and I went to see my Dad in Florida and he did a double take while we were watching TV because my dad and I were sitting in the exact same position with same look on our face. He said it was like a mirror image.

Anyway my point is that I believe its genetic more than environmental. Of course like anything their are some exceptions, but more often than not I believe people are born gay and figure it out some time after they hit puberty. Unless of course they deny it.

kishkash
09-12-2004, 03:59
I've also read that some scientist are trying to argue that it may be classified as an disease. probably in the same category as schizophrenia..
I dunno wots more disturbing...the fact that everything these days is a 'disease' or the fact that something like this needs to be pegged as a 'disease' or for that matter compared to a psychological illness....ILLNESS

whatever...it amuses me how ignorant some people are...educated people....

HEY...RACH...OVER HERE *flails arms* i just noticed that now my signature applies to u...how does that make u feel *puts mic in ur face*

nath
09-12-2004, 07:52
I think "BOTH"...

Think there is a physical predisposition(hormones) at the origine...then or some people instantaneously accept for themselves their homosexuality, or they discover it later, or even they could refuse the idea...
I think too a lot of people have in themselves a "potentiality" to become gay , or to live an homosexual love story if it happens in their live a "release mechanism"...WITHOUT KNOWING IT.
I mean the Traditional education says: one girl + one boy...so they don't even think about this question until the day , they meet somebody or have a affective shock in their life which could make them see their emotional life differently.

I think environnment has a role , combinated with the "physical" predisposition...
For me, it's a "wedding" between : physical + psychological sides.

I say that 'cause I've often observed the same "pattern" in the gay women i've could have met...often there is a difficult relationship with their father...
Of course, all kiddies and teenagers have problems with their parents in a moment of their lives...but I really often observed this kind of "war" between homosexual girls and their father...a relation of Love/Hate.

Rachel
10-12-2004, 00:53
HEY...RACH...OVER HERE *flails arms* i just noticed that now my signature applies to u...how does that make u feel *puts mic in ur face*You mean "Once you've had KAKE u don't want icecream"? - You keep telling yourself that :D

simon
10-12-2004, 02:44
It is fairly well established that testosterone levels during pregnancy influence sexual orientation, at least in females. There's been a search for gay genes for years and this isn't the first time someone has claimed to find one. They haven't stacked up in the past, but that doesn't mean they won't in the future.

A famous study of twins suggests that genetic and environmental factors play a role. If one identical twin was gay, the chances of the other being gay were 52%, with two fraternal (non-identical) twins it was 22%, for a non-twin brother it was 9% and the chances of an unrelated adoptive brother someone gay also being gay were 11%. This suggests that genes play an important, but not overwhelming role, because the incidence was so much higher for identical than non-identical twins. The fact that the chances were 11% for an unrelated adoptive brother when the incidence of male homosexuality in the general population is about 3-5% suggested that family environment also plays some role.

When the same research was done for women, the chances were 48% with identical twins, 16% with fraternal twins and 6% with adoptive sisters.

These results were tainted, though, by the fact that they weren't random samples - people had been recruited to take part and those with other gay family members may have been more likely.

A broader study of 5000 Australian twins found the chance of the identical twin of a gay twin also being gay was 38% and the chance of the identical twin of a lesbian twin also being lesbian was 30%. This study is much more reliable because it doesn't have the potential bias.

However, when the results of that study were recalculated using a different definition of sexual orientation (that there's a scale, not just a gay/straight dichotomy), the levels of genetic influence in females rose to 50-60% and in males they fell to 30% or less.

What all this means is that there must be a significant genetic component to being gay or lesbian ('gay genes' - there certainly isn't just one gene for it, if there was it would have been tracked down long ago), but it's not overwhelming. Nobody knows why some people with 'gay genes' become gay or lesbian and others don't. This kind of pattern is found for many characteristics in twin studies. There is often a large and unexplained environmental influence as well as a genetic influence. You get the same for IQ, for instance.

The idea that something is either genetically determined or a conscious choice (as the poll suggests) is nonsensical.

marina
10-12-2004, 10:04
Choice ?
No. I cannot see that : .....where is my goddamned timetable ?! I have trouble to remember if I'm supposed to be straight on Wednesdays !
Genetically determined ?
What exactly do you mean ? Some genetic error ? In humans , homosexuality is much to common for it to be considered a genetic defect ! Real genetic diseases are really rare. And their frequency depends on their severity .
So , I will go with environment and social trait . Homosexual contact is a way to communicate pleasure.

spyretto
07-01-2005, 12:31
Apart fom having the "specifications" from birth it's also a "talent" you can develop or repress. So I think both actually, with more emphasis on the "gene". You're born with it and then it's a matter of choice as well? ( but it's not really a "gene" is it? anyway, natural cause )
But if nature meant this to happen as something normal, then gays would be able to procreate and then all would be well. But it isn't.

now that's a lame, smart-assed answer, innit? :p

Mossopp
07-01-2005, 12:35
now that's a lame, smart-assed answer, innit? :p
....and you're probably going to get completely ripped to shreds for saying it.
*runs for cover*

freddie
07-01-2005, 12:43
LOL! Spyretto are you running a campaign for the most controversial member? :p

Rachel
08-01-2005, 01:18
But if nature meant this to happen as something normal, then gays would be able to procreate and then all would be well. But it isn't.

now that's a lame, smart-assed answer, innit? :p I don't see giving birth as very natural though :no:

Taito_Magatsu
08-01-2005, 02:10
I believe this issue is more psychological than genetic, i think the person is born with that factor and it will be stimulated or repressed depending on the environment that person lives.

But to treat this as a genetic thing is to see it as an genetic error, a mutation. And if this is proved, then, already conservative societies will strengthen their view of homosexual individuals as "an error of nature" because they were born like that. And the person would be automatically excluded of that society since its birth. Like black people, they were excluded and mistreated because they were born black. And then, people would start to create those stupid segregative laws like schools only for gay people, bathrooms only for gay people, this kind of stuff.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
25-02-2006, 21:52
I dont know what to say about this..I was interested in guy since i was 11..so i dont know what to say

Obie
19-04-2006, 22:05
A choice,,, the only one choice a gay person could take is to live openly and be himself/herself or to hide his or her emotions and live a fake life,,,,,,,,, Someone can't control emotions but we can certainly control what we do.

QueenBee
19-04-2006, 22:22
Wow, old thread.
And to answer: I donno, LOL, I know NOTHING about genetics.

Sabeena
22-04-2006, 23:06
Of course you can option to experiment with your sexuality, but you can never "option" to be gay, that's just silly. so then what does Bi curious mean?..hasnt it been said that most girls go through this stage during their lives... read it in a magazine somewhere..and we were talking about this biology a few days ago.. since females have XX sex chromosones and males have XY chromosones.. does that mean males are actually half female?.. so in actual fact we are all gay..:confused:

dradeel
22-04-2006, 23:22
hehe... you can't say men are half women because they have XY and women XX. they are fit together in pairs - as you say -.... and that's a huge difference :D But I think that could be some kinda genetic reason for why homosexuality is possibe. Who knows? :) Well ok, I don't know. Some hightech-smart-anatomy-biology-person might know. Hehehe.

madeldoe
12-05-2006, 02:07
so then what does Bi curious mean?..hasnt it been said that most girls go through this stage during their lives... read it in a magazine somewhere..and we were talking about this biology a few days ago.. since females have XX sex chromosones and males have XY chromosones.. does that mean males are actually half female?.. so in actual fact we are all gay..:confused:

if i remember bio correctly, the chromosomes pertain to biological aspects of a sex. like if you have a Y chomosome the information in that chromosome tells the body to create things that an X chromosome does not ie. semen. it doesnt have anything to do with the issue of "gender" see theres a big difference between gender and sex.


anyhow on this topic: i still dont believe that there is such a thing as a "gay gene" and with all the research that i've done so far on this topic, there is absolutely NO scientific support for this claim. thanks to all that participated. but i would love to get more input on the topic, as its always something i like to discuss and hear other peoples thoughts on it. :D