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Kate
08-02-2004, 01:01
We are gonna discuss episodes 8 and 9 in this thread.

Updates will follow.

haku
08-02-2004, 01:22
Kate, it's episodes 7 and 8. :)

denial
08-02-2004, 02:40
Episode 7 - they showed about the Chat with TATU: I read at RS website.

spyretto
08-02-2004, 03:51
How many episodes will be altogether?

denial
08-02-2004, 03:56
Can't remember Spy .. 49 I think .. and its been going on more then 2 weeks already. :gigi:

haku
08-02-2004, 04:06
Originally posted by spyretto
How many episodes will be altogether?
20 episodes, that's what is said on this page: http://www.vertov.ru/rus/tatu/

irish22
08-02-2004, 04:37
so when are the episodes goign to be put on a ftp we only have the first right now anyone know if someone is going to do that?

Kate
08-02-2004, 09:06
LunaticGirl and SHEAD from the Russian forum both said that the 7th episode was very booooooring. It was all Shapovalov's yack-yack-yack....

Celtic Jobber
08-02-2004, 09:39
Thanks for that bit of info Kate. :rose:

It wouldn't surprise me if Ivan said "to hell with those girls" and just did the rest of the tATu in Podnebesnaya show about himself. :rolleyes:

Kate
08-02-2004, 09:43
Celtic Jobber, It wouldn't surprise me if Ivan said "to hell with those girls" and just did the rest of the tATu in Podnebesnaya show about himself.

I think that's exactly what he's doing. :laugh: His upcomming debut album needs promotion, you know. :heh:

Kate
08-02-2004, 10:48
Additional information provided by SHEAD from Russian Forum

Elena Kiper rode in the car all episode, showed what a bastard Shapovalov is, and that the rise of Tatu was all her own hard work. Then she was shown at home eating "Rafaello" (some snack, I suppose - Kate) and kept talking about the same thing like an old radio. All this was interrupterd by Vanya sitting and eating grapes and trying to remember "who is Elena Kiper". Both chewing. It was a pain to look at. And so was the whole episode. They also showed how Vanya was listening to some guy who wrote some songs and wa ready to offer them to Tatu. The guy, who came from in the middle of No-where was playing one song on his guitar, and then Vanya says "Move on!". The guy then starts playing another song, and Vanya says "Move on!". This goes on for a while, then Shapovalov gets up, and tell his to go learn how to play and then maybe come back later. Also they showed the girls sucking on lollie-pops and answering questions for the live chat. Julia has an ear infection, there is a cotton ball sticking out of it. At the end of the chat session, some guy from STS said that some photographer was interested in their crawn, and gave the girls two crawns from a box. This kinda reflect the first episode, the fight with the photographer who said they had a star disease, that their crawns were too tight... So STS supported the girls in this... that's it...

Thanks, SHEAD!!

xena225
08-02-2004, 11:57
Originally posted by irish22
so when are the episodes goign to be put on a ftp we only have the first right now anyone know if someone is going to do that?

Yeah, when, oh when? Nothing beats seeing things with your own eyes if you wanna know what really happened.

xena225

Lena410
08-02-2004, 14:06
good thing moscow's so far away..I'd really consider going there every weekend to look at the RS. :D yeah Im crazy I know..but I wanna see it...*wails*

they showed Elena Kiper on tatu's RS? Is anyone else confused?
I mean she acts as if she would hate them. They act as if they would hate her. And now she's in *their* RS? Now I'm *convinced* its just PR. Nothing that woman ever said was anything else but PR. *shakes head*

EDIT: Thanks for the report Kate! :rose:

QueenBee
08-02-2004, 15:39
Oooh I LOVE Rafaello! Seems like a boring episode.. and poor Yulia, she is always sick it seems.

Thanks Kate and SHEAD. :rose:

Unplugged
08-02-2004, 15:57
His upcomming debut album needs promotion, you know.

WHAT? Shapovalov is gonna release an album?! Since when can he SING?! I've heard his voice on some demos and, even with special effects, it SUCKS, he can't sing. :grustno: :laugh:

Anywaaay, thanks for the report Kate :D

thegurgi
08-02-2004, 17:05
staringelf, i don't think He's having an album, people are just saying that because the Reality Show, among other things, seem to be focusing more on Shapovalov than the girls.

bpro50
08-02-2004, 18:58
. . . so glad to see Elena coming around again. In the final analysis it is still a business and when there was an album or a video to be made, Elena Kiper was on the scene. Maybe Elena has come back to work directly with the girls and get the new album off dead center. I hope so.

haku
08-02-2004, 19:09
Originally posted by bpro50
Maybe Elena has come back to work directly with the girls and get the new album off dead center. I hope so.
I don't think so. Letting Kiper say how much she hates Shap was probably part of the deal they cut after the copyrights lawsuit. Kiper probably accepted less money but with the nice bonus to appear in the RS and say her side of the story. :D

ElectraCute
08-02-2004, 20:06
Thanks Katbeidar and shead for the update. :rose: :rose:

Kiper seems really bitter.
I doubt very much she could ever come back and work with tatu. Wasn't she the one who said in some interview that Yulia and Ivan had a relationship. :bebebe:

And Yul, get better soon :rose:

haku
08-02-2004, 20:19
Originally posted by ElectraCute
Wasn't she the one who said in some interview that Yulia and Ivan had a relationship.
And you're sure she was lying because? :P

ElectraCute
08-02-2004, 20:37
No, no, I'm not saying she was lying. It's just not her business to reveal things like that.

QueenBee
08-02-2004, 20:37
haku, that was evil.. :gigi:

cirrus
08-02-2004, 20:47
A Shapovalov debut album?!!!!!

I've gotta start saving up money for that! :smoke:

denial
09-02-2004, 14:51
OMG!! they really got Elena Kiper in there. I know there a form on RS website you can request which artist you want to see invited to RS show .. and at the RS / STS forum they some are people promoting to vote to request Kiper to be show guest. I guess they get it.

Would really love if get to see that one. :(

forre
09-02-2004, 15:17
Yes, they got Kiper to express her opinion. We have the transcript of the show but no possibility to provide the translation at the moment. Due to overall copying, the translating services here are suspended. We're awaiting further instructions on this matter.

denial
09-02-2004, 15:35
forre, may I have that copy? I can use translator for meantime ... please .. its horrible .. but .. please .. *on her knees* .. :rose:

haku
09-02-2004, 15:37
denial, it's in the same thread on the Russian side of the forum. :)

xena225
09-02-2004, 15:38
Originally posted by forre
Due to overall copying, the translating services here are suspended.
Well, let's hope for the sake of all non-Russian speaking fans here that people on other boards are more generous with their translations then. Thanks for, erm, sharing. :D

I think I better suspend my translations from German as well then. Wouldn't want to break any rules here. *shrugs*

xena225

forre
09-02-2004, 15:41
Originally posted by xena225
Well, let's hope for the sake of all non-Russian speaking fans here that people on other boards are more generous with their translations then. Thanks for, erm, sharing. :D

I think I better suspend my translations from German as well then. Wouldn't want to break any rules here. *shrugs*


Let's hope then.

Whatever, xena. Thanks for the ones we've had so far. :rose:

denial
09-02-2004, 15:45
Thank you haku .. for you :rose:

Kate
09-02-2004, 21:57
forre, you sound so formal. :gigi: It's a good thing. We need to get our act together, damn it! :D

Anywho, here are some "news". Apparently, Tatu's next hit will be called, as Shapovalov said, "Belochka" ["Squirrel"]. :laugh: Lol. Yeeeeaaahhh.

The whole track list can be found here: track list (http://tatysite.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6749)

Very p.o.w.e.r.f.u.l. Well done indeed. :laugh: So, anyway, that's that. Source: Zoloto.ee (http://www.zoloto.ee/?ZGF0YQ==&data=ad/tatu)

Let's reflect on it, peoples. :gigi:

Edit: :heh:

cirrus
09-02-2004, 22:03
"Squirrel"? Perhaps this is the Shapovalov album... other hits include "smoking my days away" and "i'm a horrible manager"

just kidding ol' shap.

Kate
09-02-2004, 22:06
This is how world-wide hits are born. (http://tatysite.net/temp/belochka.jpg)

"Beloooochka" means "Squuuuuuirrel"

:gigi:

Thanks, Igor. <-- He's so funny. :rose:

coolasfcuk
09-02-2004, 22:10
Originally posted by katbeidar
This is how world-wide hits are born. (http://tatysite.net/temp/belochka.jpg)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

and yeah, Kiper said that she though Ivan was gay the minute she was introduced to him! :done: yes yes yessssssss, so Im not the only one - I stil firmly believe that Ivan is GAY :10x:

forre
09-02-2004, 22:13
Originally posted by katbeidar
forre, you sound so formal. :gigi: It's a good thing. We need to get our act together, damn it! :D


Sound normal. According to the situation. Thanks for the news. :gigi:

Kate
09-02-2004, 22:15
forre, I am in a good mood today, due to the whole "Belochka" hit news. :lol: My GOD. When will I stop laughing about this one? :gigi:

Unplugged
09-02-2004, 22:22
Ivan is GAY

I don't know about gay, but there's definately something weird about him. He just has a weird sexual energy. I bet he's into sex with shit... :laugh: ewwww :grustno:

A friend of mine whose aunt runs a small hotel told me an odd story about this... There was this couple who rented a room for a night, had sex with shit and then left without paying. She said the sheets, the walls and the floor were all dirty with turds and they spent days cleaning it up :laugh: EWWWWWW I bet Ivan's into that! :ill:

Kate
09-02-2004, 22:27
staringelf, that's disturbing. Next time you might want avoid posting this in detail. Aghm. :grustno:

Unplugged
09-02-2004, 22:28
Well, Ivan's disturbing, so he reminds me of disturbing things :grustno:

Lux
09-02-2004, 22:31
thanks kate

so there are no episodes yet, only transcripts? what's the holdup for
i don't think kiper will come back after the copyrights fiasco but it'd be great if she did. SOMEONE orgnanized has to make the album, not that she is organized but ivan isn't doing anything.

Kate
09-02-2004, 22:34
Lux, well, it seems that the album is finished. I posted the track list above. :p Someone profession - Shapovalov - has already organised the proceedure.

Lux
09-02-2004, 22:44
kate - ok

now i'm more curious to know what "Squirrel" is all about

MassMedia
10-02-2004, 01:07
Originally posted by forre
Yes, they got Kiper to express her opinion. We have the transcript of the show but no possibility to provide the translation at the moment. Due to overall copying, the translating services here are suspended. We're awaiting further instructions on this matter.

who's posting your translation without credit? ill bash them to pieces for stopping the flow of tatu!!!!

Kate
10-02-2004, 01:28
MassMedia, it's not the matter of credits. The owner of one Tatu fansite takes our translations, sometimes bothering to give credits, and advertises himself as the best news source on Tatu.us :) We've basically had had enough.

guesshoo
10-02-2004, 01:44
Originally posted by coolasfcuk
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

and yeah, Kiper said that she though Ivan was gay the minute she was introduced to him! :done: yes yes yessssssss, so Im not the only one - I stil firmly believe that Ivan is GAY :10x:



i think he's gay too. :none:

denial
10-02-2004, 01:52
Squirrel ... is an animal which can jump very good from tree to tree.

If to put the meaning of 'Squirrel' I think it picture such situation jumping from one to another. And someday the Squirrel fall.

bpro50
10-02-2004, 02:53
Originally posted by guesshoo
i think he's gay too. :none:

I'm confused. He has a son, he has had relations with Elena, Beata and possibly Yulia. How can he be gay? Cause he looks it? What is the real truth?

spyretto
10-02-2004, 02:56
squirrel? nice, can also try skunk

denial
10-02-2004, 03:08
if they use skunk .. the story will be different... and wont fit the situation.

MassMedia
10-02-2004, 03:29
Originally posted by katbeidar
MassMedia, it's not the matter of credits. The owner of one Tatu fansite takes our translations, sometimes bothering to give credits, and advertises himself as the best news source on Tatu.us :) We've basically had had enough.

he can boasts all he wants as long as he credits whomever translated it. can we really say who's "the best tatu source"? (not saying were not ;) )

to stop the benefit of the entire community on an opinion is silly. were all tatu fans, is there a point in saying who's better?

Kate
10-02-2004, 03:34
MassMedia, you are not the one translating, so will never understand what it's like to have your work advertising someone else's website... :(

Back to the topic.

forre
10-02-2004, 17:49
A few parts from the reality-show are added here http://podnebesnaya.rambler.ru/lookin/video.html
Check out first 11 pieces.

02 Юля, ты любишь Ивана? (1.20 МБ) - Yulia, do you love Ivan?
03 Конфликт (1.90 МБ) - The conflict.
04 Лена Киппер о тяжестях и горестях продюсерской доли (4.41 МБ) - Elena Kiper about the burden and troubles of being a producer.
05 Молчаливый призыв Елены Киппер от Ивана Шаповалова (1.57 МБ) - A silent cry of Ivan Shapovalov to Elena Kiper.
06 Иван Шаповалов о людях (0.82 МБ) - Ivan Shapovalov about people.
07 Черная неблагодарность (8.14 МБ) - A total ingratitude.
08 Ваня "первый раз с двумя девочками близко столкнулся" (1.04 МБ) - Ivan "dealing closely with two girls for the first time".
09 Киппер: "Такая вот недвусмысленность" (2.00 МБ) - Kiper: "This kind of single meaning"
10 "Неужто вы не видите, что Шаповалов убивает ТАТУ" (0.64 МБ) - "Can't you see that Shapovalov is killing t.A.T.u.?"
11 Киппер: "Я сошла с ума... не хочу, чтобы меня оклеветали" - Kiper: "I lost my mind ... I don't want to be black mailed"

Thanks to Igor for having checked the updates. :done:

QueenBee
10-02-2004, 17:57
Oh! Thank you very much forre, and thank you for checking the updates Igor. :rose:

Haha, what does Yulia say when they ask her if she loves Ivan? Oh, is that Lena saying "No, no!"? :laugh: Hahaha!

And we see Ivan again with his slow talk and eating.. :gigi:

coolasfcuk
10-02-2004, 18:10
thanks Igor and forre :rose:

ha ha ha! So I couldnt see the video part yet... but i heard some of the files... and :laugh: .. what a mess!

queenski, Lena and Yulia gave different answers... haha...Lena said: 'Adore!'.. Yulia:"What do you think' ... and Lena said Ivan didnt hypnotise them and Yulia said Yes :laugh: .. what a nightmare

but really i wanted to say.. I couldnt even see, but I already love! how Kiper speaks! :D and in one of the videos she is making fun of Ivan's drug-influenced talk!!! pretending he cant remember her name... and how she wrote 3 words only :lol: it is priceless... love it!

and also... Lena: "Tatu he can be killing, but we are alive ha ha" :heh: awwwwwww.... Lena spilled it out for ya ... psssssst

denial
10-02-2004, 18:11
forre, thank you.

The first video there:
01 Заставка программы "ТАТУ в Поднебесной" (2.91 МБ) -

the montage (I think) - now their wings are already open .. about to fly I guess.

Nike75
10-02-2004, 18:23
Originally posted by coolasfcuk
and Lena said Ivan didnt hypnotise them and Yulia said Yes :laugh: .. what a nightmare

Just for the record: Lena has answered the question and Yulia was talking in her cell - so the answer "Yes" has nothing to do with the question.

How about you wait until you have seen the clips and THEN you make your statement? *just a thought*

Nike

denial
10-02-2004, 18:27
tatu07 -- Lena smoke while chatting .. and Yulia can't .. so she eat lolipop .. LoL

*lights cigarete* :smoke:

aww..first time I get to see Lena Kiper talks .. awww.. for Lena Kiper :rose:


12 Короны на уши не давят! -
-the girls wearing the crowns... awww.. Yulia not so interested in it I guess. But Lena like it.

teeny
10-02-2004, 18:59
-the girls wearing the crowns... awww.. Yulia not so interested in it I guess. But Lena like it
hehe.. Yul putting it on top of the cap :lol:

coolasfcuk
10-02-2004, 18:59
Originally posted by Nike75
Just for the record: Lena has answered the question and Yulia was talking in her cell - so the answer "Yes" has nothing to do with the question.

How about you wait until you have seen the clips and THEN you make your statement? *just a thought*

:lol: well, thanks for clearing that up ...but still...
... how about people stop telling me to wait... wait before you do this...wait before you do that..... wait before you make a statement...wait wait wait... wait for what? this is a discussion forum, not a waiting room... maybe i liked the 'yes' better anyway... isnt everyone allowed to believe whatever they want to - let me believe Yulia said 'yes' :rolleyes: *just a thought*

p.s. besides if i just sit here and wait.... ha ha.... it will be too late very soon ;)

QueenBee
10-02-2004, 19:04
coolasfcuk, you go girl! Hahaha :lol: I don't think it's that important.. it's not important if Yulia answers yes or no! It was just a joke.. why wait to see the video because oooo maybe Yulia hates Ivan.. :rolleyes: We all know Ivan and the girls get along fine - otherwise I think they're pretty stupid if they stay with him when they don't like him at all.

BUT this is a JOKE thread, not to be taken seriously.. so I don't think we need to start debates wether or not the girls like Ivan.. 'cause it's not so important here, maybe in some other thread instead. ;)

I think Yulia likes Ivan. :gigi:

Hahaha, I like the crowns.. both girls look pretty cute. :yes: Yulia putting it on her cap.. hehehe.

denial
10-02-2004, 19:09
Ever wonder why Katya Necheava sticks with Ivan .. even after all the troubles he done to Yulia and Lena .. ? :rolleyes:

QueenBee
10-02-2004, 19:13
denial, hmm no idea but I'm guessing it's because she wants to be famous. ;) I don't know.. I'm not very interested in her. :grustno: As I said, she doesn't seem to be anything "extra" you know.. not like Tatu. She seems kind of ordinary. But we'll see. :)

coolasfcuk
10-02-2004, 19:15
Originally posted by QueenBee
BUT this is a JOKE thread, not to be taken seriously..
well sadly Tatu has turned into a joke :none:

Creativy has gone down the toilet... how long has the show been on tv... what productive thing has come out of it? They cant even build propper PR on anything anymore - struggles.... and we sit here and wonder... did she really break off the contract.. do they really hate eachother... its all meaningless to me at this point. For hardcore fans like us is interesting... for the general public.. complete piece of... not to mention for Western Europe and America tatu is in the dark hole.. they cant even pull themselves out in Russia.... but hey, lets be happy! :coctail:

QueenBee
10-02-2004, 19:19
coolasfcuk, true of course! I mean, HELLO.. It has been like this for some time now. It doesn't look like anybody else keeps track of Tatu except the hardcore fans (us! :coctail: ). But that's kinda expected. It seemed like Tatu were big with "All the things she said", but when "Not Gonna Get Us" came (I mean in America and such), it all went down the drain... :bum: And those "scandals" are just so boring now, it seems like they think they can fool us again and again and again... But nothing is really that shocking to us anymore, since all we say is "Is it true or not? Publicity stunt?" It's not something that amazes us...

...blah blah blah. :lol:

teeny
10-02-2004, 19:26
and we sit here and wonder...
nope passed the stage of great expectations. I'm currently doing what you won't: waiting and seeing :heh:
Only look for new pictures and videos. Fun thing is that this is way more than I do with most other artists.
Normally I just get to know about releasedates a month before. So now when the date is know months before I get disappointed when it gets set back :rolleyes:
Well not anymore. I'll try and wait and see, and just have fun with you guys while waiting.

denial
10-02-2004, 19:32
so what keeping you 'here and wonder' and 'wait and see' for like .. 1 year? .... Ivan ..? Yulia? or Lena? ... LoL LoL :bum:

forre
10-02-2004, 19:41
Everyone gets the info, processes it and tries to come to a logical conclusion. No one is just sitting and waiting. Some of us are still dreaming, some of us are beleiving and some are just waiting for the things come next. We are discussing, speculating using our knowledge, official and unofficial info.

We like some things and dislike the other. Here, we are learning to take part in the discussion, coming with new ideas, etc.

That's right. The West has forgotten who t.A.T.u. are. They had one hit a year ago and that's all.

teeny
10-02-2004, 19:44
denial, me?
if so: waiting and seeing only started around January. Everything after Jan has been one big blur. Sometimes I thought I was seeing things clearly only to be completely lost in the second after. Well no more of that.
It's reduced to pretty pictures while waiting for a new album..
Haven't been posting much in the tatu forum lately. Nothing serious at least.
So there you have it: I'm here as long as the regular posters are here too. And I already miss a few..

cirrus
10-02-2004, 19:56
And those "scandals" are just so boring now, it seems like they think they can fool us again and again and again... But nothing is really that shocking to us anymore, since all we say is "Is it true or not? Publicity stunt?" It's not something that amazes us...

Exactly! I find it hard to believe anything they do or say anymore, because it could be truth or could be a stunt. I don't concern myself with it anymore. However, I think it's funny seeing them try. I guess in that sense, Tatu have become a joke.

Creativy has gone down the toilet... how long has the show been on tv... what productive thing has come out of it? They cant even build propper PR on anything anymore - struggles.... and we sit here and wonder... did she really break off the contract.. do they really hate eachother... its all meaningless to me at this point.
Yeah, it's just a TV show now. And it's getting a little predictable, and I (and maybe you too) have given up believing it, but just watching for entertainment's sake. I still like Tatu...but the creative, amazing Russian duo that I liked isn't the same now.

Lena410
10-02-2004, 19:59
Kiper was talking bout slovakia!! :D :gigi: *now* I like that woman :p I have no idea what the hell she was saying except that that was the first official tatu visit outside of russia. *feels proud*

Lena's response to "Yulia do you love Ivan?" was great :lol:

I was so shocked at yuls "yes, yes" until I noticed the phone in her hand *lol* :D

EDIT: I dont know about their situation. I see this from a different angle. I never really took anything they said seriously. It never was important to me. I guess that's partly because that's how I think they are viewed in slovakia.
I still like their music. And their looks. If the second album is good than I'll stay if not than Ill maybe stay too *lol*. Their gimmicks never interested me much.

cirrus
10-02-2004, 20:02
Does anyone know what Kiper says? I noticed they played her "Nichya" during one of the clips.

forre
10-02-2004, 20:10
According to Zhizn, Yulia and Lena think that t.A.T.u. has no future. To all that, the girls are tired of the fact that Ivan is busy with the scandals all the time, instead of creating.

There's a full article in the News section http://tatysite.net/. In Russian though. Maybe some one can translate. Thanks. :rose:

spyretto
10-02-2004, 20:14
THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEO!!!!

That was wonderful! :rose:

I promise I'll watch it one day.

QueenBee
10-02-2004, 20:18
*Spits out her tea* Hahahahaahhaahahaahah! *Can't breathe* Marry me Spy! :lol:

tatyruv
10-02-2004, 21:55
Thanks for the vids forre :)

nikki
10-02-2004, 23:04
Yeah, Tatu are a laughing stock here as well. Those that are not laughing are still angry and upset. I'm just fed up. Their 1st album and looks are still great but what happened after that ... with the right manager they could have been so much more.

As to the new album the whole thing sounds like another joke to me but I will wait and see ...

Also why does everyone seem to have different versions of what happens on the reality show even when they have seen it. When you look at Russian sites they say something else again ! There is very little mention of this album you know ?! And if you look at newspaper articles ... !

No wonder some fans are losing interest or should I say have already lost it.

coolasfcuk
10-02-2004, 23:38
Originally posted by nikki
... with the right manager they could have been so much more.
:done: exactly! They could've been so much more! They had the world in their hands for a while.... very short while, but have they been managed better.... ah

As for me, I've always been fan of their original image... the begining was so strong - they've never had a Great album, but 2 really strong hits - YSSU and NND :D and a pretty good album (of course being Russian made me like them even more - keep it in 'da family') ... were doing solid shows in eastern europe... everything was great, until 'the woman' of the project walked away :hmmm: ..haha, that's right - they needed a woman to manage them to function properly... :gigi:

Why am i stickingdenail? Because this has become more than simply tatu forum for me ;) ... my stay here is not dependant on Yulia, Lena, Ivans or whoever elses destinies :D

QueenBee
10-02-2004, 23:47
Why am i stickingdenail? Because this has become more than simply tatu forum for me ... my stay here is not dependant on Yulia, Lena, Ivans or whoever elses destinies
I COMPLETELY agree! My life is over when Tatysite forum is over. :gigi: *Hugs my Tatysite family* :rose:

Kate
11-02-2004, 00:23
QueenBee, *hugs back* I love all of you guys. And even if Tatu fall apart, this forum will still be around, I am pretty sure. :rose: :coctail:

cirrus
11-02-2004, 00:45
Originally posted by coolasfcuk
As for me, I've always been fan of their original image... the begining was so strong - they've never had a Great album, but 2 really strong hits - YSSU and NND :D and a pretty good album (of course being Russian made me like them even more - keep it in 'da family')
Exactly cool. My favourite time with tatu was when they were eastern european, not world-famous stars. It made them foreign and interesting. The image and idea was so much stronger, but not as overdone and overstretched like it got to be when they expanded their fanbase. It seems the beginning of the end was when they were on top, #1 in UK and making it in America. From there, it began to weaken at the seams. My fondest memories are of those days: concerts in russia/east europe. Russian songs. Malchik gej dance...

Why am i sticking denail? Because this has become more than simply tatu forum for me ;) ... my stay here is not dependant on Yulia, Lena, Ivans or whoever elses destinies :D
agreed. i have friends here. we can criticize and enjoy tatu, but there's a lot more than that aswell. it's fun. And i'm hoping that somebody posts a clip of "Squirrel" because it sounds hilarious! :laugh:

coolasfcuk
11-02-2004, 00:50
Originally posted by cirrus
And i'm hoping that somebody posts a clip of "Squirrel" because it sounds hilarious! :laugh:
:laugh: .. pssss cirrus, 'Squirrel' was already posted - it was when I was singing in that 'sing it' thread! :lol: ... I sounded just like one fluffy, brown squirrel :laugh:

cirrus
11-02-2004, 01:04
you can't fool me cool. I don't remember you singing in that thread... hmmmm, i'll have to check.

Tatu: from a worldwide phenomenon with #1 hits... to a song called "Squirrel"
*sighs*


------do you really believe that bit about Kiper, tatu needing a woman? Because I disagree. I just think Ivan did a horrible job. And it's hard to tell what Kiper is responsible for. But seeing how she's handling Nichya, with all of their contests and good songs, I think she's got good ideas and knows what to do. Bah, women...

Kate
11-02-2004, 01:27
Aaahhh, if only Ivan was really leaving. I think Tatu will squeak their way through 2004 on scandals and a new "album"...

So, I guess that's GOOD NEWS. Huh?

:gigi:

coolasfcuk
11-02-2004, 02:24
Originally posted by cirrus
you can't fool me cool. I don't remember you singing in that thread... hmmmm, i'll have to check.
:lol: I am not fooling you, I did participate!

do you really believe that bit about Kiper, tatu needing a woman? Because I disagree. [.....] Bah, women...
:laugh: .. well, nah, I said it in joking manner.... but if you ask me honestly... when they were a team thats when it was functioning the best - who knows maybe they brought the best of eachother ... and so it was great. Each one of them alone is not as strong as both together.... but their collaboration is in the past, so.... :(

Lux
11-02-2004, 06:51
i dont see everything as scandal this, and scandal that. they hype things up to be more than they turn out to be..but many many people do that in media. ivan is not the mastermind he's portrayed. i dont think he calculated every single "scandal" since tatu hit the western world. he made a series of mistakes, that's all. overbooking, cancelling shows, what's the scandal in that? tatu is inconsistent as professional pop stars and the inconsistency gets tiresome.
it's only a question of when people get tired from disappointment and walk away. ivan/tatu are not doing anything consciously to ensure that fans will stay. what are they doing? nothing. in fact, whatever they don't do, fans walk away anyway. people are fed up. coming up with something that has substance, well let's be humble, actual dialogue, action, and recording of music might have affected the situation positively and been more interesting.
there's no shouldawouldacoulda that can change the situation now, the question is where will tatu go from here? j and l think tatu has no future but are they thinking of ideas to get themselves back on track? this show isn't a way, at least

dollparts3000
11-02-2004, 07:01
Tatu is just beginning in North America. Tatu will prob. not be over in Russia for a few years b/c tatu is like their national pride (I'm guessing). The 'Spice Girls' in Britain were very popular even after they broke up for a year or two after they split up, (before they launched their solo careers). But they were bigger than tatu in North America. Tatu prob. has 1-2 yrs. left. Tatu was always set to end when the girls hit 20 or 21. It's nothing new. It would have been better if Ivan had waited for another year to show all the secrets behind tatu. I liked them better when there was more of a mystery to them. I also don't like how Lena and Yulia always look extremely bored on the reality show (judging from what I saw). It's much better to watch people who have more energy. I think the early strategy was the best, of having lena and yulia say as little to the media as possible.

la aurora
11-02-2004, 10:39
Ok... here's some stuff from this weekend episodes of Reality show. Must say I don't remember much from the Saturday as I was feeling so bad that feared I wouldn't survive the Saturday night and wouldn't have to write any report at all. LoL.

Sorry in advance. The thing is a bit chaotic and has loads of spelling mistakes. But I don't dare to read this all again. lol

So... Suturday episode was devoted to chat session and Lena Kiper mostly. Most of the time Nichya's music was playing on the background.

Both girls were late to the chat but Lena got there first. She began to answer questions. They had 3 computers in the room and they all refused to work first which made computer guys laugh saying: 'Lena... we knew u were dealing not so well with computers... but so bad...' Then they managed to fix problems with 2 computers at least... so some guys were sitting there, reading questions aloud and typing Lena's answers. Then Yulia arrived which brought happy expression to Lena's face. And they began answering questions together... I think u know most of the answers. I don't remember much... just remember when Yulia was asked what she would be doing if Lena leaves the band... and she said: 'same with what Lena would be doing... I'll leave the band as well'. And then they were asked if TATU was over already... Yulia made a thoughtfull face and then answered: 'Not.... yet...' Both girls seemed quite relaxed. And at the end of the chat those guys organizing the session said they had a symbolic present for girls. That it was the answer on what 'oh so famous photographer' said about them... calling them '2 spoiled kids who got the crowns put on them'. So both girls were given real crowns that they put on with pleasure it seemed. Yulia put her's on the baseball cap.
All this time Ivan was in some hall trying to find out who was organizing the chat and why STS banners were hanging all around. LoL

Rest of the time was devoted to Lena Kiper who seemed quite a nice person actually. Mansky got in the car with her and she was answering questions while driving home. She told the story about her relationship with Ivan... how ugly and pathetic she found him when first saw... that he had red hair then and she hated red hair coz her first husband she got married with when she was 18 was redhead... and so on... how Ivan tried to control every her step... how he could call her asking where she was and after hearing 'i'm driving here or there' he would say:' ok... wait... i'll catch u there' and soon she could see his car following hers.
She also told the story of YSSU. She was in hospital and had a dream about Tutta Larsen (that girl from MTV Russia) who tried to kiss her. That she felt very strange when woke up as she couldn't understand why she would dream of kissing with a girl... she never was into that. And she said that was what the song was actually about. About girl who saw girl in her dream, fallen in love and couldn't understand what was going on when woke up. She took her notebook and read the original text to Mansky. The verses we could hear in the first version of YSSU:
ne proyti po nocham
ne proyti mezhdu snov
ya ne veryu... konchay...
tut drugaya lyubov...
But the chorus was:
Ya soshla s uma (I've lost my mind)
Ya soshla s uma (I've lost my mind)
Ya sovsem odna (I'm totally alone)
Il sovsem bolna (Or totally ill)
Mne nuzhna ona (I need HER)
Ya soshla s uma (I've lost my mind)
Ya soshla s uma (I've lost my mind)
Ya teper iz sna (Now I'm someone from the dream)
Gde so mnoy ona (Where she is with me)
Gde so mnoy ona (Where she is with me)
So she called Ivan and read him those lines... and that he was like: 'yeah... this can work... good'. Telling about it she sounded like these were good memories and she didn't hate Ivan...
She also said she always wanted to write a song... just didn't know what about... and that was a pure accident... some kind of luck... that she got that idea...
The whole interview had this strange mood... she was smiling... sometimes it was sad smile... sometimes a happy one... she sounded like she did blame only herself for being that stupid and not anyone else...
Then she said why she left the project. That she felt loved less with every new day... the feeling was stronger and stronger... and it wasn't about Ivan only... She remembered TATU's firs international visit... it was some West-european country [SP - sorry... I can't remember wich exactly... Poland may be]. And that tho she wasn't the founder of the project, she was putting her everything into it. So... being in that country she tried to make girls' being there as much comfortable as possible... and then some journalist asked Y&L who was writing songs for them... Yulia said that were some infamous authors in Moscow... they didn't even mention Elena who was standing right there next to them... neither did any of managers. Telling this Kiper got quite a painful look on her face... like she felt betrayed or something...
I can't remember anything else... except may be Elena's saying that Ivan still calls her from time to time... that when she left he was calling and saying she wouldn't survive without the project... and that sometimes he was sounding like he threated her with death... now he's calling and telling his wierd thoughts she can't understand sometimes... last time he called he kept silience for 5 minutes... and when her friend heard it, she joked that may be by this he meant 'it's time to write one more song for TATU, Lena' lol.
Then they finally arrived to Kipers house... block of flats actually... it didn't look any rich... so she left the car and making her way to the door she was fooling around... something like: 'oh, sorry... my flat doesn't look any good... it's a poor one... u know... I didn't get any money from Ivan'. LoL. That looked quite funny... she didn't sound any bitter. Seems like she left all her hate behind.

Now Sunday episode:
Most of it was devoted to TATU's UK visit. With lots of Liquid News reports shown... about concerts cancellation and SML video.
It began with Artem Troitskiy (musical critic who has strange attitude towards TATU... for him it's not music... it's a product... artificial one... but he's proud this product was made in Russia and that the rest of the world accepted it. besides, he seems to have some sympathy for the girls) visiting Y&L in Pekin hotel.
This is what he said:
If I were ur dad or something... I would definitely say: 'girls, forget about all this... microphones, phonogramms, scenes, dances, singing and so on... and go to some Financial Academy, MSU (Moscow State University) or any other of good places... then to some foreign college... then NBA or something like that... and this way build ur life... or 2nd variant: forget about ur lesbian story and get married with some good guys.
Then it was Yulia telling about some doctor who seemed to help her a lot... that her throat became much better after 10 visits she made to this woman.
Some man sitting there joked that may be it's coz she quited drinking, smoking and sex. Yulia said 'yes' but then corrected herself: 'well... not... just one of those'.
Then Lena was showing her navel pircing... and when was asked if it was diamond she had there... she said 'no. why would i need the diamond in my navel? so someone would want to steal it, come near and tear it off?' Then she was said: 'who would tear it off ur navel, girl?'
Then was the photosession with flags shown... with Yulia singing Kylie's 'Can't get u out of my head' this 'na na na na na na na na' part.
The episode also was full with partying scenes... in gay club... and Ivan's hotel room...

There was also a part where Y&L were in their hotel room with a couple of guys from Ukraine. They seemed to have a friendly talk.
L: Say something for the camera... just as a memory...
Guy: You are the best... and the most easy going ones... something we respect a lot. When we saw them on the street... Andrey said: 'look there! TATU!' I said: 'not... it can't be'. I look there and saw 2 litle girls. So I ran across the street among those cars. So I cought them and asked: 'girls, are u TATU?'
2nd guy: I first thought... well... so now we'll go and have some chat... but now after we talked at that bar... well... really... I don't like telling many compliments... but really... I'm just like this... if yesterday when we sat there and talked I'd see some 'queen attitude'... some difference between us... today I'd say to my friend: 'well... go and hang out with those girls a bit... say I have some work to do or something'. But I felt very pleased... really... it was very nice to talk to you'
Y: Thank you, guys. It was our pleasure as well... really

Then there was visit to London's gay club shown and then Yulia, Beata and Ivan on the night street trying to catch the car and chatting with a couple of guys they met in the club. One of them we saw in the documentary... it's was the one talking to Ivan on the street. Yulia becomed annoyed with him... and after he said: 'girl, c'mon! catch the car', she crossed the street and showted 'boy, c'mon! catch the car' back.

Next scene was Yulia putting some make up on Lena. She said: 'It just lays better on the skin'. And when Lena asked if there would be some effect from it, Yul said: 'look at me. is there any effect? I didn't use tonal creme'. Lena was like 'oh... ok then'. Yul: Ready, go, girl

Then they were getting into some car... and Ivan was a bit late so the bodyguard shut the door right in front of his nose. Girls cried: 'and Ivan?' Then he was in finally. Yulia saw some girl with the camera, made a funny face and in a bit joking way said: 'bye! bye! my dear'. Then she explained Lena it was the girl making pics for Interscope. Yulia began telling some story... that they got lost a bit previous night. So when she came to the room she fallen to bed in the t-shirt and pants. Then it was lena's turn to continue. She said she was sleeping peacefully and then heard some knocking. She couldn't understand who it was as she remembered she gave Yulia the key. And it came out the key was broken.

A.T
I bought tickets to ur concerts... for the 3rd of May on Wembley. And then it ceased to exist.
L: What ceased to exist? Wembley?
A.T: Concert... concert... Wembley is still there i think... tho I haven't been there for long already...
Some guy: And how much did it cost?
A.T. Well... it was a normal price... 13.50 or 20.50... I remember only these 50 pences for sure... I was in London for my own business that time... and in the undeground I saw a poster with TATU... and 3 concerts were announced there... 1 in Manchester and 2 in London. I tried to find the organizers first... but nobody of my friends-promoters knew anything... they were saying it was organized by some russians they didn't know. So as I couldn't find organizers, I decided to buy a ticket... first time in 20 years may be... coz they usually invite me to all of those concerts...
Y: If we knew u were there, we'd invite u of course... and then it was cancelled... we didn't know...
A.T. Knew... didn't knew... [rising his glass with some alcohole] 'for nothing would be cancelled in future'. Yeah... drinking for this
Y: Oh... ok.

After another report by Liquid news the taping process was shown. It was NGGU for one of the UK tv shows... can't remember wich one. CD:UK or TOTP... in the white room. And the taping was fun. Yulia was dying from laughter. She had tears in her eyes and couldn't stop shaking from laughter looking at that band they got for the show. She was laughing hard and when Beata asked her what was wrong all she could say through laughter was: 'Listen, those drums... first he is so not in time... and second - he wears the Elvis t-shirt! Have u heard how he hits those drums?! I can't stand this. He didn't catch the first beat...'
B: I can't do anything... try one more time..
They tried... and soon there was a huge portion of swearing from Yulia as she couldn't understand what version it was... she said in was cut at the beginning and then again... Lena agreed... without swearing tho... and she tried to calm down Yulia a bit telling her that it was really different version. Yulia shouted: 'But I know another one! not this!' She was said 4 attempts would take place and only best moments would be in the show. But that still wasn't enough for Yulia who was near hysterics then: 'I can't now... it's not only I can't catch where to sing... I can't stop laughing... just look at them!' *looking at the band*
L: They will take best moments...
Yulia: I do laugh all the time! Ok let's go...

A.T. The press wrote that concerts were cancelled coz they expected to cell 30 000 of tickets and sold only 5 000. And u know... how CD's sell and how ppl attend concerts... these are 2 different things. There are lots of artists who doesn't sell CDs at all. Like Tom Jones for example. His CD's sell really bad. But concerts are ok... he is the artist with some biography and reputation... that's why it doesn't matter how many CD he sells... or all those old rock bands... they don't have hits for a long time already... they don't sell CDs well... but everybody knows them... they have truthfull fans that stay fans for 40 years already... so of course they attend concerts... and new artists... who just appered... they sell loads of CDs may be... thanks to MTV, radio... but nobody really knows them... that's why ppl don't go to their concerts.
Guy: And TATU? What category are they in?
A.T. And TATU... well... they are ones who's concerts ppl don't go to.
Guy: But why?
A.T. I said it already. Coz nobody knows them. They don't have history, biography, good reputation... and so on... they are artists who has more near-musical than musical reputation... scandal, marketing, paedo, lezo and so on... what they do on the concerts... pll don't know... who's of famous musicians playing with them? noone more likely... that's why ppl begin to think if they want to spend their money on such concert... I personally think that all those concerts in UK were mistake from the beginning. Shapovalov knows a lot... he's a genious and so on so forth... but from the beginning and to the end... well... he has some field he is good in... better than anyone else in Russia... that's for sure. He knows how to do PR, scandal... how to get attention of journalists... how to create a nice story with some piquant consequences... and so on... this is what he can do really good... but he knows really few about music... and about this boring financial side of music business... he knows nothing at all. She sould choose some 2-3 thousand hall for the concerts. It would be sold out... ur fans would come and see ur concert... and trying to make it on the stadium... it's very very unprofessional.

Then Ivan was shown in the plane London_moscow... telling the story of how everyone in UK was afraid coz they didn't know what to expect or may be coz he invited the daughter of the prime-minister to attend the concert and promissed parents everything would be ok with her. As a result he got some tickling from Yulia.

At the end Moscow attempts of shooting SML were shown... Ivan's aresting.... and some other stuff we saw already.

And *cough* final scene... first some subtitles saying Ivan got notification from soloists of band TATU about breaking the contract. It seemed Mansky meant both girls. But then when some guy was reading the paper for Ivan I heard it was from Lena Katina :dknow: May be it was only a small part of the paper... but Ivan laughed, some guy next to him said: 'let is go as it goes' and Mansky wrote just 'to be continued'....

So... TO BE CONTINUED...

haku
11-02-2004, 11:40
Thanks a lot for the detailed report sunny poison :)

And i hope you're feeling better. For you :rose:

Rob
11-02-2004, 11:55
sunny poison, Thanks a lot for this long and detailed report!

denial
11-02-2004, 13:38
She also told the story of YSSU. She was in hospital and had a dream about Tutta Larsen (that girl from MTV Russia) who tried to kiss her. That she felt very strange when woke up as she couldn't understand why she would dream of kissing with a girl... she never was into that. And she said that was what the song was actually about. About girl who saw girl in her dream, fallen in love and couldn't understand what was going on when woke up. She took her notebook and read the original text to Mansky. The verses we could hear in the first version of YSSU:

awww.. I love this paragraph..


So she called Ivan and read him those lines... and that he was like: 'yeah... this can work... good'. Telling about it she sounded like these were good memories and she didn't hate Ivan...
aww.. Ivan was so nice to her .. other bf might just .. "I dont think it work .." .. :dknow:


Then they finally arrived to Kipers house... block of flats actually... it didn't look any rich... so she left the car and making her way to the door she was fooling around... something like: 'oh, sorry... my flat doesn't look any good... it's a poor one... u know... I didn't get any money from Ivan'. LoL. That looked quite funny... she didn't sound any bitter. Seems like she left all her hate behind.
Awww.. *wipe off little tears* ... for Kiper :rose: ...sincerely.. - denial .. I knew it she is a nice woman ...


sunny poison, thank you !! Well done baby girl!! :done: .. THE BEST TATU RS show's report in the world! .. :rose:

forre
11-02-2004, 14:23
sunny poison, wonderful report! Thank you very much! :rose:

Nike75
11-02-2004, 14:47
Thanks a lot for this really great report, sunny poison :rose: !

ElectraCute
11-02-2004, 14:51
sunny poison, billion thanks for the report :rose:

transcend
11-02-2004, 15:31
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to provide us with this report, sunny poison. I hope you're feeling better now too.

concy
11-02-2004, 15:33
Thank you very much!:rose:

QueenBee
11-02-2004, 15:42
Sunny Poison, you are the best. :rose: I think you'll be my favorite Russian forever. :lady:

RowerB
11-02-2004, 16:02
Brilliant reports sunny poison, thanks.

xena225
11-02-2004, 16:13
sunny poison, you rock, girl! Thank you very very much! :rose: :done:

xena225

Lena410
11-02-2004, 16:41
sunny poison thanks a lot for the reports!! They were great! :D:rose:
btw the first official visit our of russia was in slovakia *grins* sorry couldn't resist saying that :gigi:

coolasfcuk
11-02-2004, 17:16
thanks a lot sunnich :rose: .. for yet another great report!
:D bah, its not about the music and the band tatu - its about the paaaaaaaaarty documentaty! Gets me in the mood for going back home this summer - party, party, paaaaaaaaaaart and pop-star lifestyle! :gigi:

oh i also liked how Kiper explained the producers role..... in the begining everyone looks up to you, since, you're the one that has 'started it' ... gave the project live.... but soon after the 'stars' of the project get the spotlight.... they quickly start to 'forget' the producer.. and feel like they are the most important ones. And then.. they only turn to you to say: "we are going for an interview, what should we say?" :laugh: ... "say this and that" ... and off they go saying it in the spotlight!

all the rest from those clips sunny poison covered very well.

Yes Kiper looked great - I think more hurt than angry at times (from those little clips) ... and that driving on the moscow streets and being flimed... haha.. not bad, if the Russian drivers are like the builgarian ones.. uffff... watch out!

tatyruv
11-02-2004, 21:19
Thanks sunny poison

la aurora
11-02-2004, 22:52
well, no need to thank me guys *blushes* *takes all the roses*
I'm just doing the best I can do... I feel a bit guilty that I'm the only one here who has the ability to see the show. U always provide lots of help so my lame reports are the lest I can do for u back ;)

and coolie, yeah... I remember Kiper saying that. I warned u I wasn't in the best condition watching the Saturday episode lol But I did my best with the Sunday one :gigi: I recorded some bad quality mp3 for myself, so the report was pretty full :)

and yay! I'm queenie's fav russian!!! lol Do u know many? :hmmm:

hmm.... btw, why do I get the feeling Yulia and Kiper look so alike at times? They have same facial expressions and guestures... sometimes it seems Kiper is how Yulia would look like if she stayed blond and was a bit older. Stupid I know... but I get this feeling every time I see Kiper. May be it's coz Yulia was 14 when they met and Kiper could have some influence on her? u know... lil girls take a lot from older ones. I remember adoring my older cousin when I was 14... lol... now even I notice we have same guestures at times... but at least ppl never doubt we are relatives :lalala:

irish22
12-02-2004, 05:45
actully sunny i agree with you on that about kiper and yulia lol and thanks for the reoprts it is nice to read about thre show at least man it stinks that no one is able to cap it. And queenie is not the only one who think you are the fav russian here i do to . you always let us know what is goign on over there first hand

Lux
12-02-2004, 07:17
actually after watching the clips kiper bares an uncanny resemblance to yulia, albeit vague. she's hot, nevertheless


sunnypoison - thank you for the report

angeljas01
12-02-2004, 08:20
thank you thank you thank you...Sunny Poison :)

denial
12-02-2004, 16:56
About Lena Kiper and Ivan

The whole interview had this strange mood... she was smiling... sometimes it was sad smile... sometimes a happy one... she sounded like she did blame only herself for being that stupid and not anyone else...
Then she said why she left the project. That she felt loved less with every new day... the feeling was stronger and stronger... and it wasn't about Ivan only...

I was listening to the song Nich'ya .. both TATU's and Lena Kiper -Nichya's ...funny about the same title for the songs too ..and the lyrics... are they actually sending msg to each other? :rolleyes:

:none:

forre
13-02-2004, 22:13
haku, Thanks for the link on the Russian forum. "Your" article says that the signed copy of the claim to terminate the contract with Neformat will be handed over to Ivan in the next Episode of the show. So, stay tuned, ppl! :rose:

cirrus
13-02-2004, 22:25
Ooooh, suspense! :p


I think the conflict between the girls and Ivan is real, to some extent, but it's odd how perfectly it fits into the format of the reality show... ::ithink: And how the show goes from the recording of an album to the breaking of a contract. Maybe it is real, after all.

Kate
13-02-2004, 22:26
Can't wait. Lol. :gigi:

rANdoMtATuFaN
15-02-2004, 08:55
Thanx for the report Sunny Poison...

I finally get the whole crown thing - that had me confused.